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Roger vs Shanks
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Roger vs Shanks

I will categorise this in 3 ways narrative,potrayal,feats

NARRATIVE:

1.ROGER

Rogers narrative was once literally the ceiling of one piece once he got the one piece he literally started the great pirate era.Known as the king of pirates and the greatest pirates by many rival to strongest pirates at that era like wb,rocks and strongest navy man like garp.It is definitely a given rogers narrative is one of the best in the entire one piece. Literally the mc's goal he is

2.SHANKS

Shanks also has a great narrative as he is the role model of our mc and a strawhat wielder he is also an emperor of the sea in current era and also the rival of current world's strongest swordsman mihawk and also he is known as the child of destiny and was also a prodigy like his captain

FEATS:

1.Roger

Rivaled wb stalemated him for 3 days,one shot pre voyage oden beat domi rocks along with garp,rivalved garp, splitted the sky with prime wb

2.Shanks

One shotted kidd,wifi diffed an admiral, rivalved mihawk,bested loki(we have yet to see how it went),splitted the sky with wb

POTRAYAL

Roger

Roger had insane potrayal as a strawhat weilder and the king of pirates he stalemated wb and always was the mark of power in the franchise his haki was praised by the likes of kaido,was always the benchmark of everything as even mihawk said that becoming the king of the pirates is a tougher journey then beating him stated by chinjao the king of the pirates transcended all emperors,navy admirals everything,also was formidable in acoc haki,along was capable of doing haki mass attacks

Shanks

Shanks had insane potrayal too as the emperor of sea and a respected leader he was put in the same pedestal as the other yonkos by garp,a strawhat wielder was shown to be a prodigy as he learned rogers move when he was a child,shown all types of haki along with haki soo strong dorry used his haki to compare with joyboys stopped the marineford war,stopped kaido from going to marineford and also is in kaidos top 5 and even mihawk respected him during marineford

CONCLUSION

As both are strong haki users of their respective era I still believe roger has overall better potrayal and narrative as the king of the pirates and also roger fought better opponents like rocks,domi rocks,garp,wb,shiki but the midgen seems to not be constantly fighting each other and shanks is shown only to be rivalved by mihawk even shanks agrees wb was the wsm when ace went to meet him and that same wb was stated to be equal to rogers.

I HAVE ROGER WINNING THIS HIGH-EXTREME FOR NOW BUT SHANKS MIGHT SURPASS HIS CAPTAIN IF HE GETS MORE EOS FEATS AND IS SHOWN TO DEFEAT LOKI SINGLE HANDEDLY

THANK YOU HAVE A NICE DAY

u/handjobslayer — 2 days ago
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I will compare them based on their feats,statements,potrayals and narrative

Feats:

1.Kaido

Kaido fought big mom for three days prior to onigashima raid,fought the scabbards then the worst generation,yamato and killed Luffy 3 times and only lost because of bajrang gun which he refused to dodge.he did all these while carrying an entire island

And surving many attacks like dura neg attacks from law and combined attacks from yamato and luffy

During god valley days he was chosen by rocks himself and even was not badly injured when domi rocks attacked him offguarded

His primarily anti feats are not dodging attacks which caused him some pain while law and Luffy was attacking him and failed to kill kinemon

2.Akainu

Clashed with old wb equally beat kuzan and has shown the highest stamina in verse for fighting 10 days.only lost by a ringout my old dying wb and survived gura attacks which shows his great durability and for sometime fought with whitbeard commanders

His anti feats are loosing the exchange between dying wb,stalled by crocodile,failed to kill yc 10 curiel,failed to kill 1 hp kuma

Potrayal:

1.Kaido

Kaido was potrayed by garp to be relative to other yonkos and one of the yonko was the wsm he is introduced of having monstrous durability and was said to be the world's strongest creature.Even the people in the story thought kaido was unbeatable and he himself thought of him only to be weaker then joyboy.He was potrayed to be very** **beautiful very efficient in his haki and devil fruit and also a durability and stamina warrior**

2.Akainu

Akainu was potrayed to top navy fighters along with kiz,kuzan as the admirals later he was potrayed to be the top of the navy being stronger then kuzan and winning the battle between him and kuzan.Navy under his regime has became stronger then ever

Scared of bb as bb sees him as a potential threat but potrayed to be weaker then the wsm

Narrative :

1.Kaido

Kaido has great narrative and build up around him since punk hazard as he was said to the strongest creature,doflamingo was too scared of him,big mom even said luffy can never beat kaido and he was shown to be a raid boss who will be ultimately defeated by joyboys second coming aka Luffy

2.Akainu

Akainu is narratively very important for the final war as he is the head of navy will potentially fight Luffy but obv will not be a complete fight will potentially die in the final war in the hands of dragon,sabo,koby

CONCLUSION:

Both of them are at the very top of the verse and both are very strong,Kaido wins this fight high diff as he has better feats and potrayals and statement and also a complete fighter who has shown every types of advance haki and shown full mastery of his devil fruit and literally needed to loose to a god after a full gauntlet.This fight might be extreme diff still in favour of kaido if akainu shows great feats in the final war as he is narratively quiet important

THANK YOU FROM THE NO 1 ADMIRAL FAN

u/handjobslayer — 6 days ago
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We reached ch 1182 and loki still not neg diffed/hypetooled by anyone as the haters say✌️

Buddy still fighting with imu on equal footing

u/handjobslayer — 6 days ago

If we use size scaling as a metric we can assess the Rev’s leader right hand man will scale next to the PK’s right hand man

u/Tidsdkr — 8 hours ago
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You know how the Kanji used to describe Mihawk's swordsmanship as greater than Shanks's, is the same as the description for Xebec's swordsmanship using his haki, or Divine Departure as a sword technique?

If you don't know this you shouldn't even read onward, this is basic knowledge you should have.

1.Essentially what it means is Mihawk has stronger sword techniques/skills than Shanks.

  1. But Haki is also a part of it clearly, as the canonical material is using the same kanji to describe sword techniques that use the own users varying level of Haki strength.

  2. Once you establish this fact every Shanks-tard argument crumbles, because we know they are going to say that Mihawk's title is about sword-skill.

  3. But then you have to explain to them (if they have the capacity) that because sword techniques using Haki is included in the language it means:

Despite Shanks Joyboy-level-haki, being imbued in his sword techniques, like Divine Departure, Mihawk's swordsmanship is still stated as stronger, as in the affect of his sword techniques is greater than the affect of Shanks using a sword technique with his mighty Haki.

  1. But they will say "yeah, because of skill" Then you get to to establish what that means, they might say he can swing his sword at a certain degree more accurately, or that he's better at using armament

  2. Here is the Left-Hook-Counter to their right hand, if you will. Because in saying it's due to skill, you are actually saying that:

Mihawk's skill in swordsmanship is SUCH A FACTOR, that it OUTWEIGHS the FACTOR of Shanks's OWN HAKI being used in his sword techniques

In other words: Shanks's Generational Talent (As Oda has described in learning Kamusari) + His Joyboy-Level Haki, leads to a Total Swordsmanship Value of = 90

Whereas Mihawk's Yoru + His Swordsmanship leads to a Total Swordsmanship Value of = 100

You are essentially having to DE-VALUE Shanks's Haki, because you are saying DESPITE SHANKS'S HAKI, he is still unable to overcome the GAP in skill between him and Mihawk, in order for his Swordsmanship to be STRONGER OVERALL. And be stated a such.

  1. But hold on? Isn't SHANKS'S HAKI, the ENTIRE REASON for why Shanks should be able to defeat Mihawk in a 1v1?:

If Shanks's superior CoC Haki is not able lead to him having superior/stronger/greater Sword Attacks, then why should it all of a sudden lead to him being able to defeat Mihawk?

Moreover, if it is unable to allow Shanks to surmount the difference in swordsmanship between Mihawk and himself, Because Shanks fans are just so comfortable in accepting Mihawk's swordsmanship is superior:

Then how, with a finite amount of haki-mass, is Shanks going to be able to overcome Mihawk's superior swordsmanship in a 1v1 fight? because no matter how strong Shanks's Haki is, his swordsmanship will still be inferior within the fight, till it's completion

  1. Therefore the question remains: What is shanks going to do, in order to Bypass Mihawk's superior swordsmanship, and deal the killing blow? if all he can do offensively thus far is "haki goes brrrr on my sword"

Whereas on Mihawk's end, there is a much more plausible answer for how he bypasses Shanks's superior CoC "Whaaat? how":

9. It's finite. Mihawk has to simply wait until Shank's makes a mistake with his inferior swordsmanship to land blows, and wait for Shanks to expend his haki mass.

"Wait, why would Shanks expend his haki mass that much?" In his sword attacks for one, and covering his inherent defensive weakness-> the fact that he is one armed.

"Oh but, that doesn't mean he got weaker" I never said this, his base strength is not weaker, but nothing points to it meaning he doesn't have an opening where his arm literally isn't present, nor does it mean his skill capacity got lowered, due to him losing his dominant arm, and then having to re-learn swordsmanship.

"But wait, Shanks will just defend with his haki"- EXACTLY, lets even throw in for the sake of argument that he can create a haki barrier like xebec to defend himself. He has to continually expend more haki mass to cover his defensive weakness.

  1. And what about offensively, despite just attacking? "Shanks has an ability to cancel out obs haki! that's how he wins"

But wait, this is probably also an ability tied to expending CoC haki, Another way to cover the apparent weakness of Shanks's weaker swordsmanship, and being to keep up with Mihawk.

Therefore Shanks will have to continually expend large amounts of CoC to keep up with Mihawk in all manner of forms, from cancelling Mihawk's Obs Haki, to Covering his defensive weakness by creating haki barriers, to also attack Mihawk and try to bypass his superior swordsmanship.

All to even the playing field, until it isn't even anymore. Shanks will be whittled down.

"Shanks has enough haki to stall for eons until Mihawk is dead, despite Mihawk probably being more efficient in using haki in swordsmanship, and any damage he takes in the meantime from being worse in swordsmanship will heal over time because he's secretly a haki jinchuriki"

Okay, prove it, the ball is in your court. Also prove his ability to cancelling obs haki will work on Mihawk, and doesn't cap out on vice-admirals or admirals.

Conc: So here I have demonstrated how Mihawk's conditions to win are more plausible than Shanks's conditions to win.

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u/Sad_While_169 — 11 days ago
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Adressing Rocks defeating the Admiral in Marygeoise (Ch.1155)

I rather saying it now right now because Rocks D. Xebec is a highly popular character and I'm also a Rocks enjoyer, so this is NOT an attempt at downplay by any means. It disproves NOTHING from the achievement of such a feat.

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The Marygeoise incident 56 years ago is depicted with a statement that Rocks has captured 5 Kings attempting Rêverie to hold them hostage.

https://preview.redd.it/jl8my0qmp2gg1.png?width=740&format=png&auto=webp&s=847c1e7d798f30e309f66be6c7f5b160d7be3215

Imu made it clear that those tactics won't be effective against them since the life of mere kings can't be used at threat to them.

https://preview.redd.it/8cucdbirp2gg1.png?width=680&format=png&auto=webp&s=ff697912cc768a9158b05b723ed7c7d80d8e3f5b

Which Rocks himself acknowledge.

https://preview.redd.it/twitu6jwp2gg1.png?width=545&format=png&auto=webp&s=3db07808b0d0ac9b08b69e5d55ef6684fbb8b075

In fact, Celestial Dragons have no consideration towards Kings from the "lower seas", they are nothing to them. He hasn't captured these Kings with the first intention to put the place in panic.

https://preview.redd.it/e0v18i7zp2gg1.png?width=863&format=png&auto=webp&s=0b3bc355ead1a63f3a88a414b38f1b715053f693

https://preview.redd.it/9fh2x5o1q2gg1.png?width=236&format=png&auto=webp&s=4200275dafcee9e6fbe802b405477ec919c37a0f

So why Xebec would have hold WG affiliated Kings hostage, what does he gains in doing that ?

Xebec planned to confront "The World" itself. And the Holy Land, during Rêverie is under a Marine's HQ Admiral to ensure protection of the convoys of the WG affiliated kingdoms and the Celestial Dragons living there.

https://preview.redd.it/m7f6yx04t2gg1.png?width=276&format=png&auto=webp&s=d82123e80203e39fa68535a0fe7a7abd88b27a1d

So to bypass this very first line of defense in order to penetrate Pangea Castle, Xebec used these hostages as a tactic to outsmart the said Admiral knowing damn well how these individuals can not use their full power in the Holy Land, which is a display of Rocks' strategic mindset.

https://preview.redd.it/p2em9dr8t2gg1.png?width=763&format=png&auto=webp&s=bfd86044e4a96201787331a450538da4c7a12aac

https://preview.redd.it/s5bfj5dat2gg1.png?width=706&format=png&auto=webp&s=29963588784b87b97e9a848f5f427d69cab3e446

Context defines things, always.

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u/Tidsdkr — 3 days ago

Why wouldn't Yamato be at an admiral level in terms of accuracy?

What are the accomplishments of the admirals?

Aramaki, if it weren't for the fruit's regeneration, would have been killed by Momonosuke.

Aokiji was beaten and matched up against a Garp without Haoshoku, who, with his first and only Haoshoku strike, knocked him out of combat.

Later, with help, Aokiji tried to kill a wounded, tired, and exhausted Garp. Aokiji was incapable.

Besides, he was blitzed twice.

And just match the garp weaponry with a named attack.

He was also verbally threatened by doflamingo Who saw a fight against him.

Akainu equaled and surpassed the warhorse who was admiral-level.

And even then he was taken out of combat, do you see Luffy from Onigashima, Law, and Kid performing like that? I don't.

Akainu was stopped twice by Marco and once by Jinbe.

Fujitora clashed with base Luffy and Doflamingo, matched Sabo's level, and was verbally threatened by Doflamingo, who also intended to fight him.

Kizaru? He took a one-shot from Luffy's first Haoshoku attack. And from the first invisible Armament Haki attack, blood covered Kizaru's entire chin.

Meanwhile, Yamato matched Kaido in haoshoku strikes, made him bleed, and withstood those blows.

u/Weekly_Information48 — 4 days ago
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1.loki is above old gen only if he is shown not getting beaten by shanks

2.roger/wb/garp surpassed rocks(extreme diff)

3.kaido>admirals

4.akainu is not a tier above kuzan and akainu is just above kuzan by a small margin

5.rayleigh>oden

6.bb>admirals

7.kizaru>Luffy(matchup diff)

8.mihawk will show acoc

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u/handjobslayer — 8 days ago