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1,000 miles towing an Airstream with a Rivian R1S: energy use and lessons learned

I took a road trip with our R1S and our Airstream Basecamp 20X across California. Figured I’d share my trip report with some efficiency numbers.

The setup

  • R1S Quad, Large (130kwh) pack, AT tires. General efficiency is about 2miles/kwh without trailer.
  • Airstream Basecamp 20X. This trailer is about 3500lbs dry, maybe 4000lbs loaded. The shape is nearly perfect for drag, but the X package means AT tires on the trailer and a 3 inch lift.
  • This was in October, so weather was generally still quite good at around 60-75F.
  • This trip is across the Sierra Nevada mountains. Through Yosemite, over to 395 (the best camping in CA if you ask me).

 

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ROUTE AND EFFICIENCY

  • SF-Manteca: 62miles, 1.6mi/kwh, 39kwh total. 75F, going 55mph mostly.
  • Manteca to Groveland: 78miles, 1.15mi/kwh, 68.5kwh total, 75F, 55mph where there was still straight highways, but it gets curvy as you get up the hill. So the reduction in speed helps, but you definitely lose range to the 3000ft of elevation. 
  • Groveland to Wawona Campground: 60miles, 1.39mi/kwh, 43.1kwh, still good weather, up 2300ft in elevation. This is slower than the last leg, and 1k less elevation up.
  • Wawona to Visalia: 108miles, 1.69mi/kwh, 64kwh, great weather and lost about 5k ft in elevation. Going downhill is amazing, it looks like the R1S range is well over 200 miles when going downhill that much. 
  • Visalia to Inyokern (windy mt road 109 to 155):  99 miles 1.29mi kWh (77kwh) to lake Isabella. I reset it there and then 48 miles 1.65mi kWh 29.1kwh to Inyokern. So total was 147miles, 105kwh (1.4miles per kWh).  
    • This was a long drive and really far uphill. 6k elevation on that first leg and mi/kwh dropped to maybe even as low as 0.65 mi/kw during those few miles.
  • Inyokern to Olancha: 48 miles 1.0m kwh 48kw. 1200ft uphill and winds meant high usage. 
  • Olancha to Bishop: 116 miles, 1.15mi/kwh, 101.4kwh used. 500 feet of elevation gain. 
  • Bishop to mono lake: 76 miles, 1.2m/kwh, 61kwh. Also quite a bit uphill. And higher speeds. 
  • Lundy Lake to Bridgeport: 22 miles, 1.84mi/kwh, 11.8kwh used. Short trip, some downhill.
  • Bridgeport to Manteca over 108: This is the big one! 152.5 miles, 1.92mi/kwh, 79.2kwh used. Up from 6k ft elevation to nearly 10k ft, all the way down to sea level. In hindsight I could have easily made this trip from Lee Vining.
  • Manteca to Fairfield: 69miles, 1.18mi/kwh, 59kwh total. Flat, highway driving.

Efficiency is VERY dependent on elevation changes and speed.

Summary

  • This car is so great at towing. I’ve done this trip in a 200 series 5.7L V8 Land Cruiser before and (while also great a great car), you just spend a lot more effort managing being in the right gear, especially going downhill. The Rivian makes going downhill so easy, just let the regen do its magic. And of course when you need to speed up to merge, it’s almost effortless. I sometimes wonder if the Rivian is faster with the trailer, than the Land Cruiser is without it.
  • Going up in elevation makes a huge difference for efficiency, but you do gain a lot of that used power back by going downhill with regen. At one point I think we gained 10% on battery just cruising downhill.
  • Speed might be the biggest factor when towing. It helps that CA speed limits are 55mph for towing, so it doesn’t feel too bad being the slow one on the highway. But doing this trip at 65mph or even more would have made a massive dent in efficiency.
  • The worst performing leg was 1.0mile/kwh of efficiency, which was a combo of uphill, in wind, at highway speeds. The best was 1.92mi/kwh which included a downhill section. Because of this I’m mentally marking 140 miles as the minimum range for my setup. Even in the worst of conditions I can’t imagine having less range (assuming similar temperatures).
  • The highway 395 RAN chargers are awesome. Not many people seem to use them so there is always lots of space, and no need to unhitch (except maybe in Bishop where it’s in a strip mall).
  • It’s nice to be able to top off the trailer batteries from the Rivian outlet when needed. But I do wish it had 240v plugs (or at least a 30A trailer plug) so I could run AC on the trailer. The F150 Hybrid with Pro Power has this, and so do a few other EV trucks. With the Rivian, turning on the AC or Microwave will just flip the Rivian breaker and I will need to re-enable power on the screen.

No need to drop the trailer if you approach the charger from the back! (Inyokern, CA)

The changes from 2023->2026 in available EV charging have made a huge difference. RAN is great and optimized for remote locations, the Tesla Adapter is very helpful, Electrify America is no longer always broken, and it's easier to find campgrounds and RV parks that allow plugging in overnight.

For anyone attempting a similar trip I'd recommend to spreadsheet it out in advance, just to be safe. Figure out your worst case KWH scenario and make sure there are 2 charging stations for you towards the end of that range.

Also make sure to set aside A LOT OF TIME to talk to other campers who will wonder "how that electric truck tows". Not everyone wants to tow with an EV, but they do all seem curious about it.

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u/evpotatoe — 1 day ago
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Has anyone Car Camped in a MG5 or similar ?

Hi I’m just wondering if anyone has car camped in a mg5 or similar as the seats don’t lie flat and I’m just looking to see if anyone has any photos or tips as I would love to convert it into a car camper. I was hoping to not have to use any wood as it is also a commuting and everyday car but I’m open to hear anything anyone’s done!

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u/Soft_Huckleberry8889 — 2 days ago
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Rivian publishes Rivian R2 pricing and tow ratings: 3,500 to 4,400 lb

Rivian R2 RWD towing capacity: 3,500 lb

Rivian R2 AWD towing capacity: 4,400 lb

For comparison, most cars in this size category (Model Y, RAV4, Outback) max out at 3,500 lb. EV6/Ionic5 max out at 2,700 lb.

The numbers are still way short of the large SUV options (often 7,500+), but it suggests a small trailer is very doable.

It does seem like it'd require purchasing the Rivian R2 Towing Package.

Full details: https://rivian.com/r2

u/evpotatoe — 6 days ago

Car camping in a Mach-E from Melbourne → Sydney

We’re a couple in our late 30s and recently did a car camping trip from Melbourne to Sydney in a 2023 Ford Mach-E.

We used an SUV mattress in the back. The front seats had to be pushed forward a few inches, otherwise the tailgate wouldn’t close with the mattress fully inflated. Once that was sorted, it fit us comfortably (I’m 181 cm).

Storage worked out nicely. The frunk was reserved for food, and we kept clothes and electronics on the front seats plus the small gap behind them. We set up a gazebo outside to keep the rest of our gear while we slept, which made the inside feel much less cluttered.

For ventilation, we used window nets and kept the windows slightly open. Airflow was enough, and surprisingly we slept better than we do at home. The cabin just felt really cozy.

I did want to run the AC overnight, but couldn’t figure out how to turn off the daytime running lights while keeping the car on. Didn’t want to light up the campsite or disturb others or wildlife, so we skipped it.

We took DampRid expecting condensation issues, but it barely collected anything. No real moisture problems inside.

Overall, car camping in an electric compact SUV is completely doable, and actually really comfortable. Would definitely do it again.

u/Razorr_Rain — 4 days ago
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A Rivian R1T Towed a 30-Foot Camper to Prescott, but the Real Test Was Charging After the Campground Said No

For anyone towing with an R1T, the charger at or near the destination may matter more than the charger on the highway.

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u/Major-Moose-7368 — 8 days ago
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Campeggio con B10

Ciao a tutti qualcuno ha campeggiato con la B10? Come si ė trovato w che accessori mi consigliate per farlo? Grazie per l'aiuto

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u/Low-Cloud3452 — 4 days ago
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Unser Setting

Tesla Model Y AWD, Baujahr 2023

Trigano Faltcaravan inkl. Vorzelt

Verbrauch ca. 24 kWh pro 100 km

u/OpeningWeekly3048 — 6 days ago

$500 fine for charging at RV Park

I was researching a bunch of Florida RV Parks to see which ones allow EV Charging and ran into the biggest fine I've ever seen:

"If you are caught charging your vehicle at your site, you will be charged a $500 violation fee."

They say "This is for the safety of our guests, our property, and guest property."

So eh... don't charge your EV at Margaritaville resorts. Luckily there are 2 supercharger stations within 10 miles. Also there are 9 other RV Parks in Florida that do allow charging.

u/evpotatoe — 12 days ago