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This has probably been mentioned here before but the scene where Floyd is telling Carol that Clark wants to watch them and he wants amphezyne, etc, Floyd asks everyone if they want lemonade

He comes back and said, we don’t have the mix so I was going to squeeze some lemons together and add sugar but we don’t have lemons and we don’t have sugar

It’s like, when life gives you lemons, make lemonade, etc, but he’s at the point in his life where he has no way to do it. Life didn’t give him lemons, it gave him nothing and now he has no way to make something that isn’t there, better. There’s no quick fix mix, there’s just no way.

So we know the guy from Chicago hooked up with Modern Love. Modern Love probably asks why he’s in STL and Chicago tells him about Clark and that he saw Floyd and rejected the proposal and tells him that they were supposed to meet at the pool house. Maybe Modern Love is the one banging on the door.

He was the only person who could know what was going on for Floyd and how sad it was and have compassion for how Floyd’s feeling (aside from Clark)

Besides Go Getters and Cheezits, what show themed snacks can I serve?

On HBO Max - the DTF: STL finale airs at 8 pm EST. It’s bumped up an hour due to the Euphoria S3 premiere.

I know everyone is being more kind towards Carol because Floyd isn’t bringin in the bucks, so she has to. But I’m rewatching the eps to get myself ready for the ending and it keeps bugging me when she’s telling Floyd about paying off bills but also wanting to buy her son “adult furniture”, or that the reason he’s not doing good in school is the vest he wears… Carol isn’t seeing her son’s cries for help (the milk jug stuff?) but Floyd sees it, and he talks to Richard, where Carol just shrugs it off and keeps thinking about buying that adult furniture.

Guys/boys/men/dudes…they could use an ear, not just some dollar bills.

To me this is also a big red flag that Carol caused Floyd’s choice to pass on.

I may have missed or forgotten something, but in episode 1, when Clark is pushing Floyd to get on the app, Clark couches it as something he himself wants to do, too. But then aren’t all of Clark’s efforts (at Outback, etc.) just focused on getting Floyd’s profile set up? Does Clark ever set up his own profile?

So Clark is either 1) feeling guilty about the affair with Carol and wanting Floyd to also have an affair to ease Clark’s own conscience, or 2) setting up the Modern Love encounter, which would suggest that Clark is being nefarious and may have been plotting Floyd’s murder, in which Modern Love is somehow involved?

Also, did anyone notice that in episode 1, when Richard Jenkins asks Clark why he killed Floyd, Clark doesn’t deny it; he just starts talking about cornhole? Clark does seem to be pretty into Carol when he first sees her. (And they exchanged a ton of texts we haven’t seen. Jenkins says Clark didn’t want the affair to end.)

I think Floyd at least semi-lied when he signed to Clark that he knew about the affair the entire time. If my timeline is correct on that scene, they only started hitting the gym that hard together closer to the end of summer before the life insurance policy was purchased. If that had been the case why would he wait til October to go to the hotel asking for his discounts? He and Carol were in deep financial distress the entire summer where we see Clark telling us about the true timeline of his sexual relations with Carol. And despite having a regular job in the news and decent side gigs, I see Floyd blamed a lot for those financial issues in the audience. We see a single bank statement in the hotel manager meeting, and it’s showing multiple charges per week in the month of October.

Ethical non-monogamy wasn’t as popular/accepted in 2018 so Clark and Carol both *had* to do some non-ethical non-monogamy to get their sexual needs met. It took me a long time to truly believe Carol or Clark either really cared about Floyd at all. But in Clark’s interviews it’s like he slowly realized he loved Floyd more as a person closer to the fall than he had enjoyed using Carol for his sexual gratification all summer long after that cornhole party where he got *literal* tunnel vision when he first laid eyes on her.

Floyd probably figured it out at some point. He’s not that dumb and he obviously had access to their bank records. He and Carol may have even actually talked about it well before Floyd told Clark he knew. They may have had an agreement where he was fine with it. But he still valued both relationships. Whereas Carol—what we’ve seen of her—she seems distant, cold, disconnected from Floyd entirely. She claims Clark seduced her. The audiobook she listens to (you can see the purchase at the beginning of the October statement that Floyd took to the hotel) reveals even more about her character. I’m unsure that Richard developed BPD from his father alone. They’ve both clearly been through some stuff before Floyd came along.

But Floyd does try—he’s been unlucky in life and made forgetful mistakes. But he bought those beautiful earrings for Carol and looked so genuinely proud of himself. As a fellow poor, that pair would not be that hard to finance unless your credit is complete trash. He makes incredible gains in building a relationship with Richard. And we see him really enjoy his work as well as his hobbies, the relationship he’s building with Richard, and the he built with Clark. He tries hard to communicate with Carol to find a way to work around his manhood issues. But as the audience mirrors—people are critical of Floyd’s shortcomings. His mistakes are always magnified because he never quite fit the mold of our society’s rigid guidelines for what success in life looks like in the first place—especially for a man. I think he was deeply troubled in a way that we can’t truly know as he isn’t here to narrate to us.

Depending on when Floyd really found out, he may have felt that relationship he built with Clark had been an immense betrayal. He would have made the connection between why Clark was pushing him so hard to use DTF. And why Carol didn’t even feel the desire to try to be sexual around him. Given all of his life circumstances, I still think it was a suicide ultimately. Floyd lost all of his passion and all the life drained out of him after the failed hotel encounter with Clark in the closet. He feels he lost two important relationships at once due to his low self-esteem. Who showed up at the pool house and why still remains to be seen. Perhaps someone trying desperately to stop him—Tiger Tiger (Clark) obviously knew where and when Floyd would be on that night. The timelines fit his morning schedule on surveillance. And the true intentions of Carol may never be revealed, especially if the internal police department fraud gets her off the hook from testifying/questioning.

Anyway, it’s been a crazy week and I’ll probably be late seeing the final episode. My one Birthday Wish: Don’t spoil things in the titles tomorrow night! It’s been a fun adventure theorizing with y’all.

The theme song of the show is "Aquarius/Let The Sunshine In" performed by The 5th Dimension​. The "Aquarius" portion of the medley isn't played as part of the theme.

Floyd's birthday is February 1, 1973. That makes Aquarius his zodiac sign.

Another Steven ​Conrad inside joke.

It would be fun to come back to this thread and see if any of us were even close!

I don't know who killed Floyd, and I do think it was murder, not suicide. But I strongly believe Clark is lying about how all his interactions with Tiger Tiger actually went down.

Also, in the scene at Denny's, Clark was purposely acting over the top and made sure to flash Floyd's picture to the waiter because he wanted to be conspicuous. He wanted the waiter to remember he was there. I just don't know why yet.

I also don't think Tiger ever met Modern Love, despite what Clark is saying.

I don't know what Clark's intricate plan is, but I do think part of his motivation has something to do with Eimy. She knows more than we have been lead to believe so far.

What's your theory?

When Clark & Carol are talking/flirting at the corn hole party, Clark give Carol the BS story about his Canadian deep water exploration & demolition (or something like that) company. If memory serves, he & she never discusses it again. Neither Floyd nor Carol are ever seen asking him any more about it. I guess this is because they realize he is a BSer and was just wanting to give Carol the impression he is a big money man. I think Clark believes Carol fell for the story, but I think she knew exactly what he was doing. I guess not pressing the matter actually made it easier for Carol to hint at financial help while making it more difficult for Clark to not help financially or else his BS story would fall flat.

At one point when Clark was on the swingset, he seemed to be checking out his hot female neighbor. That seemed to be the reason why he wanted the swingset moved. But in another scene, I think he was checking out a man.

Am I remembering that wrong?

Maybe other people have talked about all of the in the closet references…

Does anyone have any thoughts into why Richard destroyed the milk? Like I had a thought that it felt like a tantrum, he was angry and started smashing the milk, then the discussion he had with Floyd about best friends and how he wishes he had a best friend, maybe he got upset that Clark was taking Floyd from him. We know he has BPD but I wonder if there’s more to it.

Or, we don’t really see Carol Love yell/parent/show any emotion towards Richard (just that one time where she was genuinely going to take care of them, other than that, Richard brushes her off) and Floyd, his step father, sorta gentle parents him, I wonder if he’s angry at Carol Love because of something that happened with his father? Floyd says he was an asshole but that’s Carol Love’s pov.

Would like to hear any theories!

Season 1 is coming to an end.

Would you like a season 2? Perhaps another tale connected to that cursed app? Maybe if Clark survives legally he can be in the background on some TV doing a weathercast.

Was it ever mentioned how long Carol & Floyd have been together?

If the kid was deaf and blind how could he have seen Floyd’s sign language. Maybe I missed something.