r/ChainsawManTheories

The Denji from the new timeline grew up without a mother and with a drunk, abusive, and violent father whom he had to kill in self-defense. After that, he spent most of his childhood and teenage years completely alone, just surviving and working for the Yakuza to pay off the debt his late father left behind, with no one by his side.

He didn’t have a pet or a friend like Pochita, since he never met him, and he basically grew up and survived on his own (don’t ask me how).

He didn’t have a friend or an older-brother figure like Aki, since he never met him either.

He didn’t have any romantic experiences, since he never met Reze, and Asa is just a strange girl he saved.

He didn’t have a younger sister like Nayuta, since he didn’t raise her in the new timeline, and she doesn’t show any of the closeness or affection she had for him in the previous timeline.

The person (or rather, devil) closest to Denji now is Power, who treats him like a pet (she literally calls him that and even made a contract for him to belong to her). She doesn’t seem to be as close to him as she was in the previous timeline. Denji doesn’t seem to laugh or have fun with her like he used to. On top of that, it’s too complex for her to understand feelings like loneliness or even depression, since she’s immature and, at the end of the day, a devil. She literally had to die in the previous timeline to comfort Denji and realize how much he cared about her.
But hey, he’s not completely alone, so that’s something…
(And no, this isn’t slander against Power, since that’s just how her personality is. Despite everything, she really cared about Denji, I just can’t say she cares about him nearly as much in the new timeline.)

In short: Denji is probably much more starved for affection than he was in the previous timeline, since in this one he’s barely received any at all. It’s even visible in how depressed he looks in the final chapter, he doesn’t show a single genuine smile or any sign that he’s truly happy. I honestly don’t know how anyone can really think Denji, or Chainsaw Man in general, had a happy ending when it gets more depressing the more you think about it.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-X\_DouBQs4Fao5k0cWOVJ28bjE7gdnfF\_2MGlyXz5PQ/mobilebasic

I think bro is stretching in some places to fit his viewpoint, but still I like this lens of analysis. Unsure if it was intended, but it does add a deeper layer to the stories themes (and such) revolving around identity and control in a world that is inherently violent towards you and wants to take away your agency.

Have you heard about the cyclical universe theory? It´s has some variations but the general idea is that the universe follows infinite, or indefinite, self-sustaining cycles, each beginning with a Big Bang and ending with a Big Crunch that latter create another big bang and the cycle continues, the new universe is reformed similar to it´s predecessor, some things are different others the same and others in the middle but it always begins and ends the same way with a collapse.

And what happens in the end of Chainsaw Man: Collapse via deathless world, basically if the end was denji and asa losing but instead of a reset it was just a final exchange with their other entities (Pochita and Yoru), a closure with a tragic ending where everyone is an eternal scape of suffering, the themes that carry would remain (bad choices in impossible situations leading to doom) and at the same time it would lead the world pochita was telling denji to create in 219.

In the Age devil arc we see that with unlimited time people became trees, the same would have happened in the deathless world, giving enough years with humanity being in scrambles and everyone incapable of dying the would become one with earth and eventually like in the book of apocalypse once humanity starved and nothing of them where left, the concept of death would have return, not as the end but what it comes after: with humans being depraved of life, being no better than rocks that just exist, all fears would be gone and devils would cease to exist, recreating death and then collapse because humans don´t fear or feel nothing, a Big Crunch following by a Big Bang and a new cycle similar but different from the previous one.

It wouldn´t be so unlike fujimoto because he already did that on fire punch, all that it´s presented in the last chapter would make much more sense without sacrificing the development, because if part 2 is about the end and regression but still needs a ending with a more good feeling solution what better way then give such drastic yet fitting consequences and the recreated the universe as like life it´s all a cycle?

The themes and logic would still be there, the consequences would be there, conclusions would be there, pochita´s sacrifice would be there because he could just continue to fighting with denji but instead he chooses to redeem himself by being with denji until the end, the same with yoru and asa, they would have closure, would be sad but also wholesome that these humans and devils despite all the bad choices and punishment life has given to them where able to understand each other, specially Yoru who scorned her sister but at the same time wants to understand Asa.

Then in the new cycle like the original idea things could work out better, the same chapter, same logic of things are different yet the same and the feelings remain would have applied in a bittersweet ending, when we see pochita as denji´s heart again we would ask ourselves if he is there because by choosing to die with denji he remained as his heart at least until the concept of chainsaw man is brought back, but if denji´s change the concept, pochita would just remain as his heart only, with both getting their dreams, basically the same ending but with more logical conclusion.

One could argue this already happen, but thing is we didn´t get any explanation, pochita just eats himself and it´s up to own interpretation/headcanon how this worked, actually this is a problem with the end overall: everything is so much to interpretation that it just feels lack of will to develop more the story, sacrificing the narrative for the themes.

in first picture we are seeing reze is alive

in second picture Miri Sugo aka longsword devil says you freed me denji so that means all chapter 86 devils are free and alive then why mr fujimoto dont show us reze i dont know maybe he thought if reze come back asa's main character role will be bad in that situation

if you guys know something about that can you tell me im curious ^_^

Siempre he pensado que si Pochita hubiera compartido el cerebro con Denji en vez de convertirse en su corazón la historia habría sido mucho mejor para él. En la Parte 1 vemos a Denji hablando solo, como si Pochita pudiera escucharlo, pidiéndole consejos, buscando apoyo emocional… pero Pochita no puede responder. Es solo un órgano. Y esa soledad es lo que lo deja tan vulnerable.

Denji tendría por fin a alguien que lo acompañara de verdad. No para quitarle privacidad, sino para darle un punto de apoyo emocional. Pochita, cuando toma control, es más maduro que Denji. No se deja llevar por fantasías, no se obsesiona con mujeres, no cae en manipulaciones. Es directo, práctico y protector. Denji, en cambio, vive atrapado entre deseos, carencias y la necesidad desesperada de afecto. Tener a Pochita como voz interna sería un equilibrio perfecto uno impulsivo, el otro estable.

También creo que Pochita se cansaría rápido de ver lo que pasa dentro de la cabeza de Denji. Todas esas fantasías con cualquier mujer, la obsesión con Makima, la ingenuidad, la necesidad de aprobación… Pochita odia a Makima, y sentir en primera persona cómo Denji cae una y otra vez en su manipulación lo agotaría. Probablemente intervendría. Tal vez tomaría el control cuando Denji se humilla, o cuando Makima lo manipula, o cuando Denji está demasiado roto para pensar. No porque quiera dominarlo, sino porque lo ama y no soportaría verlo repetir los mismos patrones.

Cuando Pochita toma control (capítulo 97), su comportamiento basa deseos denji pero noto importa mierda makima, pochita bajo control, haría cosas sin moral .. robar helado, forzar beso boca con Makima o himeno, con reze. Que sea para denji deje estar crisis o sexual o emocional. Pochita poco importa como efecta demás.

Pochita no es humano, pero sí siente cariño. Su empatía es limitada, pero real. Y eso lo convertiría en una figura de autoridad emocional alguien que regaña, que frena, que ignora los caprichos de Denji cuando son autodestructivos. No sabría cómo “sanarlo”, pero sí sabría cuándo protegerlo. Incluso podría hacer cosas impulsivas para sacarlo de situaciones tóxicas alejarlo de Makima, cortar una fantasía antes de que lo destruya, o tomar el cuerpo para evitar que lo usen.

Por eso la frase del final “eras más feliz cuando no tenías nada”no suena cruel si la ves desde esta perspectiva. Suena a cansancio. A frustración. A un demonio que ha visto a Denji perderse en deseos que no lo llenan, en relaciones que lo destruyen, en promesas vacías. Si Pochita estuviera en su mente, esa evolución emocional sería aún más fuerte. Sería más protector, más firme, más consciente del daño que Denji se hace a sí mismo.