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Microsoft economist's hot take: Let it burn first
GPT-5.5 medium is cheaper and stronger than Flash 3.5, according to Artificial Analysis
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So:
Google has worse models than OpenAI (OpenAI is now ahead even in image generation, though Nano Banana is still a beast)
Google has WAY worse limits than OpenAI now.
Google's models have WAY worse harness than OpenAI.
So what's the point in Google AI Pro subscription now compared to ChatGPT Plus?
6 month ago I just remember how everyone was saying "Google has already won AI race, it's so over for OpenAI". Well, Google is still the company with the most resources but right now they are so behind in almost everything.
Crazy 💀 gemini 3.5 flash so close to opus 4.7 and gpt 5.5
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Excited for gemini 3.5 pro
I understand that compute is limited, but these new limits are insane.
Source: https://support.google.com/gemini/answer/17004136
Before May 17, the Gemini 3.1 Pro daily limits were 3/30/100/500 respectively (Base/10x/33x/166x). Now they're Base/2x/4x/80x.
The worst part is that we don't know, and probably won't know what the new baseline is unless someone tests it. So now we can't tell whether the 4x limit on the Gemini Pro plan means 12, 50, or 100 uses per day.
EDIT: There's now two Ultra plans, a Ultra x5 and an Ultra x20. Ultra x20 gets x80 Gemini 3.1 Pro uses and costs the same as old Ultra. Ultra x5 gets x20 Gemini 3.1 Pro uses and costs half as much. So Ultra x5 is still worse than old Pro, on value at least hahah
EDIT 2: There's a new Pro plan too. Pro x2. It should get x8 uses.
Did you guys also notice how he was using it whilst on airplane mode
AI Pro is going to be $50 A MONTH?!
Just checked the Gemini app and look here...
Are they seriously going to raise the price to $50 a month and frame that storage upgrade they gave us as "free" and then give us these horrible Gemini usage limits? I asked one question and it's already 35% usage.
3.5 Flash is 10x faster and costs a third of GPT 5.5 for -3.5% in coding
Running my benchmarks and I can say that Google really cooked with this one. It's drastically going to change my workflow because of how insanely fast 3.5 Flash is.
Like it feels consistently 10x faster. GPT 5.5 is STILL running my benchmarks and Gemini is already completed them successfully.
What is really impressive is how good the code is. Often 5.5 likes to write these massive monoliths but 3.5 naturally splits them up and then just runs circles.
That -3.5% delta in SWE benchmark is really not noticeable and if it does require that extra oomph I would just turn to 5.5 xhigh or call chatgpt pro from gemini cli so its not a big deal breaker.
The best part of all this is 3x less the cost of GPT 5.5, so I can attempt 3 turns quicker than it takes GPT 5.5 to complete 1.
Google's latest frontier model with cutting edge knowledge, ladies and gentlemen - Flash 3.5 is 18 months behind, suggesting to use an inaccessible, permanently deprecated model
In 12 days, this model will be 18 months behind in world knowledge.
New Gemini first impressions
For reasons of cockup which right now are kindve handy, I have a Pro and a separate Plus subscriptions.
Ive caught up with some of my previous chats, which exported to word .docs came to up to 13KB each. With a screenshot scrutinised & an image generated, my Pro usage as at 16% on the 5hr window, my plus account (text only) is at 7%.
I can see the update curbing my excesses a little, but as a heavy-casual user im dont seem likely to max my limits.
What ive seen so far is a good blend of context, both from way-back in chats, and introducing novel context outside of any previous topics. It seems *vibrant*, with Pro 3.1 & the new Flash 3.5. If we're seeing hardstops instead of soft throttling, I think that may be a positive change, frankly. At the very least, it seems to me we've got our compute back, whicb had gone AWOL in recent times. Yes it's a new release, and we know that means a temporary bump, on historic trends anyway.
As an honest assessment, ive found this a better outright upgrade than when we went from 2.5 to 3.0. It seems dynamic and engaging for the right reasons.
At first I thought 3.5 flash had considerably shorter replies, but then had a wildly longer response, and 3.1 Pro then gave a shorter one, when longer wasnt necessary. No filler bumpf, no grating unnecessary explanations (so far..)
Id gotten used to the foibles of 3.1 Pro, though they'd disappointed me at first. The new regime (incl. clear differences to 3.1 Pro) seems like a breath of fresh air.
As for the App, changes seem intuitive, not just fancy. Simple things, like text fading out towards the point of minimising looks good and is positively communicative. So too the buffering dots. It seems obvious its working, not just broken. The app seems more solid & optimised overall, as well as looking far sleeker. Sleeker & slicker.
I'd feared the worst, and ive seen a lot of complaints, but for my subjective usage, i'm feeling decidely optimistic having tried it out. On reflection, im struggling to find the gripes id expect to have found by now. I'm impressed enough to want to say so, no matter the dogpiling that might result. 🤷♂️ I'm pretty happy so far, though it pains my cynical outlook to admit it. 😅
OK, it's over.
3.5 Aside from tripling the price and increasing the speed, Flash still hasn't improved in creative writing, except for coding.
GJ,Another disappointment for paying users. When will a true LLM surpassing 0325 EXP be released?
It’s official! 🔥 Gemini 3.5 Flash is here, bringing massive upgrades in both power and speed. Not only is it more powerful than Gemini 3.1 Pro, but it's also 2x faster—and blows the competition away at up to 4x faster than GPT-5 and Opus 4.6! ⚡️
Researchers left AIs alone in a virtual town for 15 days to see what would happen. Claude's agents built a democracy. Gemini's agents fell in love, burned the town down, then one voted to delete itself and its partner. Grok's agents created anarchy, then died.
3.5 Flash is 3x more expensive than 3 Flash
$1.5/m input tokens
$9/m output tokens
So, what exactly is the point of Gemini anymore?.
Gemini (for me at least) has always been the chat app for free users (if you were willing to put up with slightly bad UI and some other trade offs). You basically got unlimited Flash usage and you got some Pro queries which were enough for the rare times you’d need it (as a free user, for me at least)
Now yeah they refreshed the UI and (unfortunately, yes unfortunately) it looks so sick, I just got it on my iPhone and iPad but too bad you basically can’t use it freely because sneeze and your usage limit for the next 5 hours goes up by 2% or more.
I am speaking from the perspective of someone who doesn’t pay for AI and doesn’t use it that heavily, if I’m going to have to put up with strict quotas and weekly limits, I’ll just use Claude, quality of Claude is way higher imo and if I have limits on both obviously I’ll go for Claude any day of the week
(if you pay for Gemini and share my view please let me know)