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S4E4 bookmark experiment of Julie, She knows she cannot change a story once its told and if Randal gave her a piece of paper which was empty, then she cannot retroactively go in the past write something on it and then expect it to be there when she gets back.
That means things from Julie’s perspective change in real time i.e. changing the story

I first thought when Victor said he came in a car like the rest of us this was more of his backstory before entity took his from, but now its safe to say this is same as how Sophia came in the car
Only reason MiY said I couldn’t come to them as I was, was because Victor saw him eating Miranda
That means the original vessel predates Victors cycle which is fascinating hoping to get more of his actual vessel and entity’s origins

What was the point of seeing Boy in White and him leading her to the cafe ?
I did not see anything come off it, she ended in church by herself which begs the question wtf is BiW doing ? He smiled at her outside but in the lighthouse he is sorry saying it’s the only way ?

Edit: people saying he did help indirectly, my question is he has his reasons to be cryptic in fromville but why be so cryptic in outside world too ?

What was the point of seeing Boy in White and him leading her to the cafe ?
I did not see anything come off it, she ended in church by herself which begs the question wtf is BiW doing ? He smiled at her outside but in the lighthouse he is sorry saying it’s the only way ?

Edit: people saying he did help indirectly, my question is he has his reasons to be cryptic in fromville but why be so cryptic in outside world too ?

I want to entertain an idea, We are all here assuming spider is the final big bad but none of it has been confirmed or hinted at and I want to argue the opposite
It may be that giant spider is the one which dragged the tent to save Boyd from wherever they were at the time. The reason I say this is because everyone (Martin / Sara voice.) keeps saying there are far worse things in the forest one should never see and talisman may not work on any of them
Our characters got out relatively scot-free apart from a small spider bite and scare from Abby, its almost like Spider brought them to its home but still didn’t do anything to them which if MiY can attack anytime even it could if it wanted to no ?

I want to entertain an idea, We are all here assuming spider is the final big bad but none of it has been confirmed or hinted at and I want to argue the opposite
It may be that giant spider is the one which dragged the tent to save Boyd from wherever they were at the time. The reason I say this is because everyone (Martin / Sara voice.) keeps saying there are far worse things in the forest one should never see and talisman may not work on any of them
Our characters got out relatively scot-free apart from a small spider bite and scare from Abby, its almost like Spider brought them to its home but still didn’t do anything to them which if MiY can attack anytime even it could if it wanted to no ?

No way lead of the show is not somehow connected to the larger plot thread, we have main characters established like Tabitha Julie Ethan Jade they are essential in their own ways to the fromville history and future potentially, how is boyd ?

Edit: Some people mentioned his contribution and saving everyone and that is perfect without him fatality rate would be sky high, my thing was more for the end how he weaves in

No way lead of the show is not somehow connected to the larger plot thread, we have main characters established like Tabitha Julie Ethan Jade they are essential in their own ways to the fromville history and future potentially, how is boyd ?

This is a given at this point and from my knowledge we have only seen it happen once with Boyd when he met Martin in S2E1 in that dungeon? which is ruins now

We will see Julie controlling her story walking and my hunch is she uses items from said time period to get there potentially that is one of the ways?

Boyd went to that place twice once initially because I think he had the talisman on him and it was from that period as dungeon look ancient and went back again without the tree because he had the flame torch from that dungeon
Martin I suspect also ended up there because of talisman or some item from that period going through the tree as he checks with Boyd did you come through the tree? Sometimes you get stuck (Dale) sometimes you get trapped (Boyd), thats when they get you

This is a given at this point and from my knowledge we have only seen it happen once with Boyd when he met Martin in S2E1 in that dungeon? which is ruins now

We will see Julie controlling her story walking and my hunch is she uses items from said time period to get there potentially that is one of the ways?

Boyd went to that place twice once initially because I think he had the talisman on him and it was from that period as dungeon look ancient and went back again without the tree because he had the flame torch from that dungeon
Martin I suspect also ended up there because of talisman or some item from that period going through the tree as he checks with Boyd did you come through the tree? Sometimes you get stuck (Dale) sometimes you get trapped (Boyd), thats when they get you

I think I have solved why BiW won't help townsfolk. The answer is previous cycle and how it ended.
BiW explicitly told Christopher way to save the children, at first this might seem he tells Christopher about the re-incarnation etc. but that does not warrant such a strong reaction from him and in a town where evil entities roam so freely, it must be something shocking and that is why he does not want to believe BiW since going through a faraway tree should not be that surprising or deceptive.

https://preview.redd.it/upw1ihtjp2zg1.jpg?width=2448&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=523419033101548166fbcc213b6cfdb701bd3813

This can be because of one of two or both (This is the crux of my hypothesis):

• Process by which children are saved is heinous or dark.
• The final outcome after they are saved is dark / grim. An example would be even after doing everything and saving them, everyone has to die

BiW telling him everything comes at a huge cost (Knowledge comes at Acosta), as town massacre happens the same day and everyone dies except Victor.

https://preview.redd.it/wtkw65jkp2zg1.jpg?width=3840&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=02ea32a11d425cc56930ec8890fd4d37ab1fc0b9

So, BiW says townsfolk have to learn for themselves, this is alluding to the fact that as they learn things slowly there will be repercussions but they will be "eased into in a way or learn the hard way" on how to get out as they will try different things and fail.

If he tells them solution immediately, they won't believe him either going crazy or lose hope and delete themselves thinking everything is pointless or big bad comes in and deletes everyone (again knowledge comes at Acosta)

He helps them just enough to save them from threatening scenarios and making sure they live. Now can this be done in a better way I think yes, but to make show interesting and cryptic writers use this trope IMO. Would love to hear everyone's thoughts!