u/mid-sora

Kaito could've stil won

Kaito could've stil won

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He had the perfect opportunity, it was so simple yet a gaurantee for the plan to work as kokichi intended, all kaito had to do was in the end of the trial, after getting out of the existal and declaring himself as the real culprit, after monokuma says that they got it right and that kaito was indeed the killer, kaito simply has to say that he isn't the killer, kokichi could've still died by either the hydraulic press or the poison, there's no way of knowing, making it a false verdict given it's literally impossible, and monokuma can't declare the vote wrong given he just declared it as the correct answer

He could also say kokichi died by the poison first then was put in the hydraulic press making the killer known and the verdict 100% false not just a 50/50 even if he is lying, monokuma can't know for certain

I think kaito didn't do it because he didn't want to endanger maki and saw that shuichi and the others made significant progress and can defeat the mastermind on their own

u/mid-sora — 6 days ago

Kokichi's plan was flawless with no risks

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Okay i kinda lied, there's one teeny tiny *MAJOR* flaw in the plan, like on a fundamental level, the voice changer, it was just pure convenience, you could maybe say kokichi comissioned miu to make it but i don't think that's the case given by the time miu died he would have little to no reason to ask her to make it at that point as he didn't create this precautionary measure plan until chapter 5 anyway, also it probably would've been mentioned if that was the case when monokuma said kokichi comissioned miu to make the hijacking remote thing, and if the voice changer is built into the exisals, why ? Literally why, they're operated by the monokubs what use would they have for a voice changer,

That's the one thing that's hard to get past with the plan and if you believe it's bad because of that given it's a fundamental part of the whole thing i honestly don't blame you, now allow me to explain why the plan is genius (unfortunately it's not perfect given the whole voice changer thing so i'll just ignore it)

The plan is very simple when you think about it, kokichi realised monokuma is a stickler to the rules early on, while the game is happening kokichi understood monokuma more and more, deducing that monokuma is obsessed with making things more interesting, and that he can't break the rules as he pleases and is heavily restricted by something

So the plan was, disable whatever method monokuma has of monitoring them using the electrobomb, and create a mystery even monokuma couldn't solve,

The worst criticism i heard on this plan was :- what made him think monokuma wouldn't just execute anyone and rule it as correct/why wouldn't monokuma just rule anyone as the killer,

He had all the reasons to believe that this wouldn't happen, first he tested the water with monokuma so many times before and knows what monokuma can and can't do, when he realized the existance of an audience that's the nail in the coffin, the killing game runs on authenticity, that's why monokuma sticks to the rules and can't do as he pleases, that's also why monokuma always tries to make things more interesting,

Kokichi believed if the most important aspects of the killing game (those being fairness/authenticity) were now proven to be a lie it would ruin the authenticity, and when that happens the game becomes completely pointless, again, that's why monokuma is so careful not to break the rules, if he does the game loses it's authenticity,

So that's why kokichi did the plan like this, he had all the proof monokuma is heavily restricted by the rules and can't break them, he figured out the existance of an audience and realised if he struck at the core of the killing game (that being the authenticity) and invalidated it, if monokuma broke as much as one rule it'd remove all the importance of the rules and remove the fairness of it all, thus the game simply can not function anymore

Also, his hand was forced, he could either just submit to the poison and let the game continue, or throw in his last desperate attempt, he literally loses nothing by doing this, it was either do nothing and die and completely fail at your ultimate goal, or do this final stunt that has a not-so-bad chance of working

Also it posed no risk given kaito could abort the plan at literally any point in the trial if he sensed monokuma would casually just kill someone for no reason, the reason kaito was atleast alittle sure the plan could work is him seeing monokuma's stress and fear from him not knowing the real cuprit so he saw first hand that kokichi was actually probably right, and if kokichi wasn't right he'd just reveal himself and that's it

Reminder that both kaito and kokichi were going to die anyway, both had absolutely nothing to lose and as i explained the plan had basically no risks

And because i know someone will mention it, regarding the infamous "script" i made an entire post of why it makes sense and how alot of people just misinterpret it for something it clearly isn't, here's the post if you're interested :-

https://www.reddit.com/r/DanganAndChaos/s/u4SqbgNxdv

Anyway, that's all i have to say i think

u/mid-sora — 6 days ago

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Mine is easily megumi ogata's nagito, if you haven't heard it before you're seriously missing out on peak voice acting that gave me chills alot of the times and fits the character insanely well i can't imagine anyone else playing him, the range on this woman is insane

u/mid-sora — 9 days ago

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I totally believe that if you think he's well written or has any substance you're just being delusional, true media literacy is realizing he has no writing or thought and is just hammering the point of "the game is about truth vs lies and i represent lies"

He's a terrible foil to shuichi (he totally is shuichi's foil don't question this statement),

He has no nuance and no truth he's just a cheap character that lies all the time a toddler could write him, he has no real emotions and doesn't feel attatchment or care towards anyone, he suddenly gets redeemed post mortem and is just retconned to be out of character to fit the forced narrative of him being a good guy all along (the point was him being 100% a good guy and being "redeemed" and not him being morally complex/grey and that he has both good and bad without being completely one or the other)

This is 100% not sarcasm it's objective truth and i 100% hate kokichi and think he's a trash character

u/mid-sora — 9 days ago

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I'll just cut to the chase, it's the fanservice, it's an extremely questionable decision given that oh idk they're constantly sexualizing minors,

For danagnronpa 1 you could make an excuse that physically they're around 19 given they already spent 2 years in hope's peak, but still i think it's weird given mentally they're reset back to how they were 2 years ago so aside from the physical aspect any development or aging/maturing they went through throughout these 2 years basically never happened (they also never regained their missing memories either even after the killing game ended) so for all intents and purposes those are still minors

Sdr2 is much worse in that regard, there's no argument for it, they're minors both physically and mentally thanks to the neo world program, and the fanservice is much worse here, i haven't watched thh in a while so maybe i'm wrong but there wasn't that much fanservice in it anyway, on the top of my head i can only recall around only 2 scenes, but in sdr2 it's noticably way more, also, mikan, how tf do you mishandle a character that much especially with her trauma in mind and make her material for your disgusting scenes to please the weebs in the fanbase, i could really go on about how disgusting it is (the way they handled mikan i mean) and how it's incredibly tone deaf and insulting to people who have similar trauma, but i digress

Drv3 could get a pass given the characters ages aren't really known given they aren't even from hope's peak, also the memory of them being from there and being "humanity's last hope" or whatever was also just a fabrication of the flashback light machine, so yeah idk their ages, i still view the fanservice as cheap, but atleast the legality is questionable and not as blatant as sdr2

I know there are alot of other things i can criticize the series for but this is one i don't see much people talk about almost like it's normalized, i do know most of the fanbase are minors anyway but it still doesn't change how weird of a decision it is from the writer's prespective, sexualizing minors is wrong in any context and there's no execuse for it, it's just weird why a writer would have his series about teens killing each other put said teens in these totally unnecessary scenes that literally add nothing to the game or hell in mikan's case it actively makes it worse, just rely on good writing to keep the players engaged for god's sake and drop that cheap method

u/mid-sora — 9 days ago