u/fightingsalmon320

Ultimate top 100 ec tierlist (read if u wanna go to hypsm)

\# EC Tier List for T20 Admissions (Tier 1–10)

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\## \*\*TIER 1 — Auto-Admit / National Legend\*\*

\*Readers fight over you. Maybe 50–200 kids globally per year.\*

  1. \*\*IMO / IPhO / IChO / IBO medalist\*\* (Gold especially — auto-admit to most places)

  2. \*\*Intel ISEF Grand Prize / Top Category Award\*\* (Best of Category, \~$5K+)

  3. \*\*Regeneron STS Top 10 Finalist\*\* (especially Top 3)

  4. \*\*Published first-author paper in top-tier journal\*\* (Nature, Science, Cell, PRL as HS student)

  5. \*\*Founded a company with real revenue ($1M+ ARR) or meaningful acquisition/funding\*\*

  6. \*\*Patent granted (not pending) on legitimately novel tech, commercialized or VC-backed\*\*

  7. \*\*Olympic athlete / World Championship medalist\*\* in recognized sport

  8. \*\*Carnegie Hall solo debut / Gramophone-level recording / major int’l music competition winner\*\* (Tchaikovsky, Chopin, Queen Elisabeth)

  9. \*\*Published novelist with major publisher\*\* (Big 5) or NYT Bestseller

  10. \*\*rsi

D1 athlete

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\## \*\*TIER 2 — Elite National\*\*

Probs still guaranteed

  1. \*\*US Physics Team

  2. \*\*MOP

  3. \*\*USABO top 20 / USNCO Top 20 (Camp invite)\*\*

  4. \*\*Coca-Cola Scholar / Davidson Fellow / Rhodes Youth equivalent\*\*

  5. \*\*National recognition in arts\*\* (YoungArts Finalist Gold, Scholastic American Visions/Voices)

  6. \*\*National debate championship\*\* (TOC champion, NSDA Nationals top 3)

  7. \*\*National music ensemble principal chair\*\* (NYO-USA, All-National principal)

Sts finalist

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\## \*\*TIER 3 — Strong National\*\*

\*Top 0.1%. Clear hook, readers notice immediately.\*

  1. \*\*Startup with serious traction\*\* (YC/Techstars accepted, 6-figure revenue, real users at scale)

  2. \*\*Research published in strong specialized journal\*\* (JACS, Cell Reports, ApJ) as co-first or sole author

  3. \*\*Regeneron STS Scholar (top 300) / ISEF Finalist with category placement\*\*

  4. \*\*USAPhO Gold/Silver medalist\*\* (top \~50)

  5. \*\*USAMO\*\* (top \~60 post-USAMO)

  6. \*\*Research published in mid-tier peer-reviewed journal\*\* with meaningful contribution

  7. \*\*Patent pending on genuinely novel, self-driven invention\*

  8. \*\*Founded nonprofit with real impact\*\* (>$100K raised, international operations, measurable outcomes)

  9. \*\*YoungArts Finalist / Scholastic National Gold Medal\*\*

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\## \*\*TIER 4 — National Competitive\*\*

\*Top 0.5%. Strong signal when clustered with other strong ECs.\*

  1. \*\*USAPhO Semifinalist\*\*

  2. \*\*AIME qualifier with strong score (10+)\*\* — AIME alone is Tier 5, high scores push up

  3. \*\*USACO Platinum\*\*

  4. \*\*USNCO Semifinalist / USABO Semifinalist (outside top 20)\*\*

  5. \*\*Research at top lab (, with clear individual contribution\*

  6. \*\*Math/Science olympiad national competitor in less common subject\*\* (USAAO top 100, NACLO invitational) —

  7. \*\*National merit-based program acceptance\*\* (, Ross, PROMYS, SSP, MITES) \*attended and completed\*

  8. \*\*Top debate circuit performer\*\* (multiple TOC bids, top speaker awards)

  9. \*\*National-level music\*\* (All-State principal, regional competition winner)

  10. \*\*Meaningful published op-ed in major outlet\*\* (NYT, WSJ, WaPo) as high schooler

  11. \*\*ISEF Finalist (attended, no major placement)\*\* — still rare

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\## \*\*TIER 5 — Strong Regional / Selective National\*\*

\*Top 1–2%. Solid resume-builders.\*

  1. \*\*AIME qualifier\*\* (generic, score <10)

  2. \*\*USACO Gold\*\*

  3. \*\*state-level science fair top award\*\*

  4. \*\*Research assistant role at university lab\*\* with no publication yet

  5. \*\*State-level olympiad top finisher\*\* (physics, chem, bio)

  6. \*\*Student body president at highly selective school\*\*

  7. \*\*Regional/state music principal\*\* (all-state section, regional competition finalist)

  8. \*\*Founded club/organization at school with genuine traction\*\* (>50 members, multi-year)

  9. \*\*Meaningful long-term volunteer role\*\* (500+ hours, leadership capacity)

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\## \*\*TIER 6 — Regional Competitive\*\*

\*Top 5%. Expected at top school applicants, not distinguishing alone.\*

  1. \*\*USACO Silver\*\*

  2. \*\*Science Olympiad state medalist\*\*

  3. \*\*MATHCOUNTS state team / AMC 12 high scorer (no AIME)\*\*

  4. \*\*Regional science fair top placement\*\*

  5. \*\*Research shadowing / summer internship at university (no output)\*\*

  6. \*\*Leadership role in major school club\*\* (Engineering Forum President, MUN Sec-Gen) ← your EF President role

  7. \*\*Peer-reviewed-ish conference presentation\*\* (undergraduate conferences that accept HS)

  8. \*\*State-level debate / speech finalist\*\*

  9. \*\*Varsity captain of competitive sport at strong school\*\*

  10. \*\*Oxford/Harvard/Yale summer online research programs\*\* (CCIR, Pioneer, Lumiere, Polygence) — paid-for research

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\## \*\*TIER 7 — Local / School Leadership\*\*

\*Expected baseline for strong applicants.\*

  1. \*\*Science Olympiad regional\*\*

  2. \*\*Published in HS-run or pay-to-publish “journals”\*\* (NHSJS, JEI, JSR)

  3. \*\*Leadership in second-tier school club\*\*

  4. \*\*Charity representative / house position at boarding school\*\* ← SolarAid House Rep

  5. \*\*Long-term tutoring or teaching role\*\* (chess instruction, peer tutoring) ← your chess instruction

  6. \*\*School newspaper editor / yearbook lead\*\*

  7. \*\*Consistent musical instrument\*\* (Grade 7–8 ABRSM/LAMDA) ← LAMDA Grade 7

  8. \*\*Model UN delegate with awards at mid-tier conferences\*\*

  9. \*\*Varsity athlete (non-captain) at strong school\*\*

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\## \*\*TIER 8 — Participation with Distinction\*\*

\*Shows engagement, not distinction.\*

  1. \*\*Club member (not leader) in academic clubs\*\*

  2. \*\*JV athletics\*\*

  3. \*\*Community service club participation (<200 hours)\*\*

  4. \*\*Short-term research “exposure” programs\*\* (2-week summer camps)

  5. \*\*MUN / debate participation without awards\*\*

  6. \*\*Cultural club membership\*\*

  7. \*\*School orchestra / ensemble member\*\* (non-principal)

  8. \*\*Part-time job\*\* (retail, food service) — actually respected more than people think, but still Tier 8

  9. \*\*Tutoring siblings / informal unpaid teaching\*\*

  10. \*\*Hackathon participation (no placement)\*\*

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\## \*\*TIER 9 — Participation / Filler\*\*

\*Checkbox activities. Don’t hurt but don’t help.\*

  1. \*\*One-off volunteer events\*\* (beach cleanup, soup kitchen single-day)

  2. \*\*MOOCs / Coursera certificates\*\* (no project output)

  3. \*\*DECA / FBLA / HOSA competitor (no placement)\*\*

  4. \*\*Honor society induction\*\* (NHS, etc., passive membership)

  5. \*\*Language app streaks (Duolingo)\*\*

  6. \*\*“Founded” a club that met twice\*\*

  7. \*\*Instagram / TikTok “account” with no meaningful following\*\*

  8. \*\*Student council class rep (non-executive)\*\*

  9. \*\*Summer camp counselor (short-term, non-selective)\*\*

  10. \*\*Book club / movie club membership\*\*

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\## \*\*TIER 10 — Actively Skippable / Negative Signal\*\*

\*Either filler that crowds your app, or pay-to-play that signals naivete.\*

  1. \*\*National Society of High School Scholars / “Who’s Who Among American HS Students”\*\* (scam)

  2. \*\*Envision / Congressional Youth Leadership Council\*\* (pay-to-play, \~$3K for “leadership summit”)

  3. \*\*People-to-People Ambassador Program\*\*

  4. \*\*Generic “leadership conference” attendance\*\* with no output

  5. \*\*Paid “medical shadowing” in third-world countries\*\* (voluntourism, often exploitative)

  6. \*\*Certificate of Participation from MOOCs listed as coursework\*\*

  7. \*\*AP Scholar awards listed as ECs\*\* (they’re academic, not ECs)

  8. \*\*“Entrepreneur” with a Shopify store and no revenue\*\*

  9. \*\*Cultural heritage clubs attended once for the photo\*\*

  10. \*\*Any activity where the description is longer than the actual impact\*\*

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Tell me if any correction needed

\+if i see comment saying u cant rate ecs ik its cope cuz u got bad ec lmfao u defo can and it is not subjective

\+this list was originally by claude opus 4.7 but edited heavily by me

\+tell me if improvement needed

\+i personally have a tier two ec from here so dont tell me this list has overly high standard

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u/fightingsalmon320 — 1 day ago

Ultimate top 100 ec tierlist (read if u wanna go to hypsm)

\# EC Tier List for T20 Admissions (Tier 1–10)

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\## \*\*TIER 1 — nearrrr Auto-Admit / National Legend\*\*

  1. \*\*IMO / IPhO / IChO / IBO medalist\*\* (Gold especially — auto-admit to most places)
  2. \*\*Published first-author paper in top-tier journal\*\* (Nature, Science, Cell, PRL as HS student)
  3. \*\*Patent granted (not pending) on legitimately novel tech, commercialized or VC-backed\*\*
  4. \*\*Olympic athlete / World Championship medalist\*\* in recognized sport
  5. \*\*Carnegie Hall solo debut / Gramophone-level recording / major int’l music competition winner\*\* (Tchaikovsky, Chopin, Queen Elisabeth)

D1 athlete

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\## \*\*TIER 2 — Elite National\*\*

Probs still guaranteed but not 100percenr

  1. \*\*US Physics Team
  2. \*\*MOP
  3. \*\*Coca-Cola Scholar / Davidson Fellow / Rhodes Youth equivalent\*\*
  4. \*\*National recognition in arts\*\* (YoungArts Finalist Gold, Scholastic American Visions/Voices)
  5. \*\*National debate championship\*\* (TOC champion, NSDA Nationals top
  6. \*\*National music ensemble principal chair\*\* (NYO-USA, All-National principal)

Sts finalist

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\## \*\*TIER 3 — Strong National\*\*

\*Top 0.1%. Clear hook, readers notice immediately.\*

  1. \*\*Research published in strong specialized journal\*\* (JACS, Cell Reports, ApJ) as co-first or sole author
  2. \*\*Research published in mid-tier peer-reviewed journal\*\* with meaningful contribution
  3. \*\*Patent pending on genuinely novel, self-driven invention\*
  4. \*\*YoungArts Finalist / Scholastic National Gold Medal\*\*

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\## \*\*TIER 4 — National Competitive\*\*

\*Top 0.5%. Strong signal when clustered with other strong ECs.\*

  1. \*\*USAPhO Semifinalist\*\*
  2. \*\*USACO Platinum\*\*
  3. \*\*Research at top lab (, with clear individual contribution\*
  4. \*\*National merit-based program acceptance\*\* (, Ross, PROMYS, SSP, MITES) \*attended and completed\*
  5. \*\*Top debate circuit performer\*\* (multiple TOC bids, top speaker awards)
  6. \*\*National-level music\*\* (All-State principal, regional competition winner)

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\## \*\*TIER 5 — Strong Regional / Selective National\*\*

\*Top 1–2%. Solid resume-builders.\*

  1. \*\*USACO Gold\*\*
  2. \*\*state-level science fair top award\*\*
  3. \*\*Research assistant role at university lab\*\* with no publication yet
  4. \*\*State-level olympiad top finisher\*\* (physics, chem, bio)
  5. \*\*Student body president at highly selective school\*\*
  6. \*\*Regional/state music principal\*\* (all-state section, regional competition finalist)

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\## \*\*TIER 6 — Regional Competitive\*\*

\*Top 5%. Expected at top school applicants, not distinguishing alone.\*

  1. \*\*USACO Silver\*\*
  2. \*\*Science Olympiad state medalist\*\*
  3. \*\*Regional science fair top placement\*\*
  4. \*\*Research shadowing / summer internship at university (no output)\*\*
  5. \*\*Leadership role in major school club\*\* (Engineering Forum President, MUN Sec-Gen) ← your EF President role
  6. \*\*Peer-reviewed-ish conference presentation\*\* (undergraduate conferences that accept HS)
  7. \*\*State-level debate / speech finalist\*\*
  8. \*\*Varsity captain of competitive sport at strong school\*\*

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\## \*\*TIER 7 — Local / School Leadership\*\*

\*Expected baseline for strong applicants.\*

  1. \*\*Science Olympiad regional\*\*
  2. \*\*Published in HS-run or pay-to-publish “journals”\*\* (NHSJS, JEI, JSR)
  3. \*\*Leadership in second-tier school club\*\*
  4. \*\*Charity representative / house position at boarding school\*\* ← SolarAid House Rep
  5. \*\*Long-term tutoring or teaching role\*\* (chess instruction, peer tutoring) ← your chess instruction
  6. \*\*School newspaper editor / yearbook lead\*\*
  7. \*\*Model UN delegate with awards at mid-tier conferences\*\*
  8. \*\*Varsity athlete (non-captain) at strong school\*\*

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\## \*\*TIER 8 — Participation with Distinction\*\*

\*Shows engagement, not distinction.\*

  1. \*\*Club member (not leader) in academic clubs\*\*
  2. \*\*JV athletics\*\*
  3. \*\*MUN / debate participation without awards\*\*
  4. \*\*Cultural club membership\*\*
  5. \*\*School orchestra / ensemble member\*\* (non-principal)
  6. \*\*Part-time job\*\* (retail, food service) — actually respected more than people think, but still Tier 8
  7. \*\*Tutoring siblings / informal unpaid teaching\*\*

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\## \*\*TIER 9 — Participation / Filler\*\*

\*Checkbox activities. Don’t hurt but don’t help.\*

  1. \*\*One-off volunteer events\*\* (beach cleanup, soup kitchen single-day)
  2. \*\*MOOCs / Coursera certificates\*\* (no project output)
  3. \*\*DECA / FBLA / HOSA competitor (no placement)\*\*
  4. \*\*Honor society induction\*\* (NHS, etc., passive membership)
  5. \*\*Language app streaks (Duolingo)\*\*
  6. \*\*“Founded” a club that met twice\*\*
  7. \*\*Instagram / TikTok “account” with no meaningful following\*\*
  8. \*\*Student council class rep (non-executive)\*\*
  9. \*\*Summer camp counselor (short-term, non-selective)\*\*

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\## \*\*TIER 10 — Actively Skippable / Negative Signal\*\*

\*Either filler that crowds your app, or pay-to-play that signals naivete.\*

  1. \*\*National Society of High School Scholars / “Who’s Who Among American HS Students”\*\* (scam)
  2. \*\*People-to-People Ambassador Program\*\*
  3. \*\*Generic “leadership conference” attendance\*\* with no output
  4. \*\*Paid “medical shadowing” in third-world countries\*\* (voluntourism, often exploitative)
  5. \*\*Certificate of Participation from MOOCs listed as coursework\*\*
  6. \*\*AP Scholar awards listed as ECs\*\* (they’re academic, not ECs)
  7. \*\*“Entrepreneur” with a Shopify store and no revenue\*\*
  8. \*\*Cultural heritage clubs attended once for the photo\*\*

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Tell me if any correction needed

\+if i see comment saying u cant rate ecs ik its cope cuz u got bad ec lmfao u defo can and it is not subjective

\+this list was originally by claude opus 4.7 but edited heavily by me

\+tell me if improvement needed

\+i personally have a tier two ec from here so dont tell me this list has overly high standard

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u/fightingsalmon320 — 1 day ago

How useful is ross for college

I mean i am going there for the experience and ik this question may make me seem transactional and superficial but genuinely asking as this is last summer for me to improve my college app.

I got into ross this summer and i am planning to go.

However, i am thinking of majoring in physics for college and my main ec are usapho camping and

a physcis passion project so idk if a math camp will suit my profile.

Do yall think its still a strong addition to any stem profile or will it raise a red flag for the AO in college

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u/fightingsalmon320 — 1 day ago

Is us physics team equivalent to mop?

I made us physics team and was wondering if its impact for hypsm application is equal to mop.

Considering it is top 20 in usapho compare to the top50 in mop, would it be considered equal/better?

Does it significantly improve chances for other schools that is not mit or caltech as well? Cuz i heard it was like 80%+ for mit but i was just wondering wt the chances are for harvsrd and stanford and ect

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u/fightingsalmon320 — 2 days ago

Alevels for us unis

Im doing maths furthermaths chem physics

How bad is it if i get 3 a* and 1 a in chem instead of 4a* predicted

Will this be a bad factor for mit admissions?

Or is it still basically equivalent to 4.0 gpa

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u/fightingsalmon320 — 2 days ago
▲ 0 r/car

Is a huracan sterrato good car for uni?

Hey im enrolling at mit this year and my dad is gonna buy me my first car!!

I wanted something like a mclaren 750 or a 296 gtb but apparently the boston winter is harsh and these cars are very difficult to daily.

So i was looking at the sterrato cuz it looks tuff and also is apparently better for dailying.

Is it a good choice?

Also do u think i can not crash it as a first car and are there other kids with exotic cars at these unis?

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u/fightingsalmon320 — 2 days ago

Got into ross math but i got a big problem

I got into ross mathematical program this summer and cant wait to go

But it overlaps with the last 2 weeks of my school.

I go to a uk boarding school and its hella strict.

My friend asked my house master (counselor eq) about his summer program (sumac)and he said my friend cannot skip school

They dont understand how prestigious and difficult ross is.

Should i just say i have family occasion smth like my grandma is dying or smth and go?

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u/fightingsalmon320 — 2 days ago