u/barnacles_maize

I made a post on how KP narrative was hijacked and propagandized against us , and there were a few objections that only prove that point. ( i was banned for a week after that post so couldn't respond)

1. We have a moral burden : NO We do don't have any moral burden because the last time I checked we were the one's being persecuted by the occupation and the governments and regimes before that while KPs to this day support Indian occupation and enjoyed benefits in the previous s!kh and dogra rulers, if anything KPs should have shown solidarity with us in resisting the occupation even if it were just words, but I only see us crying about the community and stuff, carrying some guilt which we should not have, at the end of the day we got the worse end of the rope.

2. Kashmiris didn't focus on Education : KMs were persecuted for generations by sikh and dogra rulers , their properties taken and their existence reduced to mere survival and putting food on the table, Indian occupation followed soon after so yes, KMs did not have the privilege to get educate properly. This is why I made the post originally because the naratives have been hijacked and theres so much propaganda that even in the face of occupation KMs are the ones being told to feel guilty and hold the burden.

3. Israel and Palestine parallels : you cannot draw the parallels here because India is the IDF and Israeli equivalent here , they occupied us like the Israelis and anyone who supports occupation is a traitor to their community.

4. both sides suffered equally : NO they didn't , our side lost 100000+ people, thousands disappeared, raped, tortured and are now subjected to a demographic change, so I think we got the worse end of the deal

5. role of rel!g!@n: do you think there even would have been a k issue if were all were just KPs ? I don't think so . Or even before that , the sufferings under s!kh and dogra rule , all have this in common, we were targeted for being KMs.

Also once again, yes it was overall unfortunate what happened to the, very sad, and losing one's home is truly awful, agreed.

But the point is the dramatization of events to vilify us and our struggle, no matter what is not acceptable, we will not be made to feel guilty for our own occupation. And no there was no "Targeted killings and massacres with the intention of genocide" and whatever is propagated (that even a lot of KMs don't know where to stand and simply take whats fed to us).

Last point , Why is it that solidarity and support is expected only from us, do yourself a favour , I ask y'all only one thing, ask a KP what do they and their community think about Indian occupation , that's it.

Link to original post : https://www.reddit.com/r/kashmir/comments/1t3hckt/we_need_to_set_the_narrative_straight_on_kp_issue/

I made a post on how KP narrative was hijacked and propagandized against us , and there were a few objections that only prove that point. ( i was banned for a week after that post so couldn't respond)

1. We have a moral burden : NO We do don't have any moral burden because the last time I checked we were the one's being persecuted by the occupation and the governments and regimes before that while KPs to this day support Indian occupation and enjoyed benefits in the previous sikh and dogra rules, if anything KPs should have shown solidarity with us in resisting the occupation even if it were just words, but I only see us crying about the community and stuff, carrying some guilt which we should not have, at the end of the day we got the worse end of the rope.

2. Kashmiris didn't focus on Education : KMs were persecuted for generations by sikh and dogra rulers , their properties taken and their existence reduced to mere survival and putting food on the table, Indian occupation followed soon after so yes, KMs did not have the privilege to get educate properly. This is why I made the post originally because the naratives have been hijacked and theres so much propaganda that even in the face of occupation KMs are the ones being told to feel guilty and hold the burden.

3. Israel and Palestine parallels : you cannot draw the parallels here because India is the IDF and Israeli equivalent here , they occupied us like the Israelis and anyone who supports occupation is a traitor to their community.

4. both sides suffered equally : NO they didn't , our side lost 100000+ people, thousands disappeared, raped, tortured and are now subjected to a demographic change, so I think we got the worse end of the deal

5. role of religion : do you think there even would have been a k issue if were all were just KPs ? I don't think so . Or even before that , the sufferings under sikh and dogra rule , all have this in common, we were targeted for being KMs.

Also once again, yes it was overall unfortunate what happened to the, very sad, and losing one's home is truly awful, agreed.

But the point is the dramatization of events to vilify us and our struggle, no matter what is not acceptable, we will not be made to feel guilty for our own occupation. And no there was no "Targeted killings and massacres with the intention of genocide" and whatever is propagated (that even a lot of KMs don't know where to stand and simply take whats fed to us).

Last point , Why is it that solidarity and support is expected only from us, do yourself a favour , I ask y'all only one thing, ask a KP what do they and their community think about Indian occupation , that's it.

Link to original post : https://www.reddit.com/r/teenjammuandkashmir/comments/1t3haue/we_need_to_set_the_narrative_straight_on_kp_issue/

I have seen too many people carrying a guilt of some sorts they should not bear.

1. It was an exodus at best not "genocide". ( Technically just migration)
2. There were no "mass killings everywhere". J&K police themselves claim ( ig it was in response to a rti ) that KP deaths in 80s and 90s were 100 odd people and KM were near about 400 ( directly linked to militancy) , and even if the numbers are higher doesn't fit the claims of specific targeting to a genocidal extent, those targeted under militancy were mostly those who supported the Indian administration.
3. Most KPs were staunch supporters and enablers of Indian administration making them symbolic targets, they occupied top posts, and systematically abused their positions to hinder KMs ( like not providing placements in departments under them, my own grandfather recalls an incident that happened infront of him, where a KP officer hired 15 KPs for the job and only 1 KM ) and this pattern goes as far back as dogra rule.
4. Yes they lost their homes , it was unfortunate but parroting the indian version of events is deeply problematic when us, KMs have suffered exponentially more. Not to forget , the governor ( jagmohan) and administration at the time encouraged the Mass migration of Kps because they could have a free hand in dealing with rest of population ( its not just a rumor, it was something even genuine KPs will accept)

The point of this post is not justifying everything that happened to them but an attempt to set straight the narrative regarding the issue. It was not just some fanatics and stuff indians like to claim, anyone who supported Indian Administration/Occupation was targeted, which was and is still the case with Militancy (e.g Mukhbirs killing) . Also frankly the cow has been milked for a long time now and KPs enjoy significant privileges, and dare i say the entire focus development of jammu region by the administration is owed to them.

Now the Jammu Massare that made jammu H majority and the complicity of Hari Singh is something that must carry the narrative thats being linked to KP exodus.

Khudai Thaynaw Raich. Hehermulkas Trath.

I have seen too many people carrying a guilt of some sorts they should not bear.

1. It was an exodus at best not "genocide". ( Technically just migration)
2. There were no "mass killings everywhere". J&K police themselves claim ( ig it was in response to a rti ) that KP deaths in 80s and 90s were 100 odd people and KM were near about 400 ( directly linked to militancy) , and even if the numbers are higher doesn't fit the claims of specific targeting to a genocidal extent, those targeted under militancy were mostly those who supported the Indian administration.
3. Most KPs were staunch supporters and enablers of Indian administration making them symbolic targets, they occupied top posts, and systematically abused their positions to hinder KMs ( like not providing placements in departments under them, my own grandfather recalls an incident that happened infront of him, where a KP officer hired 15 KPs for the job and only 1 KM ) and this pattern goes as far back as dogra rule.
4. Yes they lost their homes , it was unfortunate but parroting the indian version of events is deeply problematic when us, KMs have suffered exponentially more. Not to forget , the governor ( jagmohan) and administration at the time encouraged the Mass migration of Kps because they could have a free hand in dealing with rest of population ( its not just a rumor, it was something even genuine KPs will accept)

The point of this post is not justifying everything that happened to them but an attempt to set straight the narrative regarding the issue. It was not just some religious fanatical stuff indians like to claim, anyone who supported Indian Administration/Occupation was targeted, which was and is still the case with Militancy (e.g Mukhbirs killing) . Also frankly the cow has been milked for a long time now and KPs enjoy significant privileges, and dare i say the entire focus development of jammu region by the administration is owed to them.

Now the Jammu Massare that made jammu H majority and the complicity of Hari Singh is something that must carry the narrative thats being linked to KP exodus.

Khudai Thaynaw Raich. Hehermulkas Trath.

KP = Kashmiri Pandit ; KM = Kashmiri Muslaman

I have seen too many people carrying a guilt of some sorts they should not bear.

1. It was an exodus at best not "genocide". ( Technically just migration)
2. There were no "mass killings everywhere". J&K police themselves claim ( ig it was in response to a rti ) that KP deaths in 80s and 90s were 100 odd people and KM were near about 400 ( directly linked to militancy) , and even if the numbers are higher doesn't fit the claims of specific targeting to a genocidal extent, those targeted under militancy were mostly those who supported the Indian administration.
3. Most KPs were staunch supporters and enablers of Indian administration making them symbolic targets, they occupied top posts, and systematically abused their positions to hinder KMs ( like not providing placements in departments under them, my own grandfather recalls an incident that happened infront of him, where a KP officer hired 15 KPs for the job and only 1 KM ) and this pattern goes as far back as dogra rule.
4. Yes they lost their homes , it was unfortunate but parroting the indian version of events is deeply problematic when us, KMs have suffered exponentially more. Not to forget , the governor ( jagmohan) and administration at the time encouraged the Mass migration of Kps because they could have a free hand in dealing with rest of population ( its not just a rumor, it was something even genuine KPs will accept)

The point of this post is not justifying everything that happened to them but an attempt to set straight the narrative regarding the issue. It was not just some religious fanatical stuff indians like to claim, anyone who supported Indian Administration/Occupation was targeted, which was and is still the case with Militancy (e.g Mukhbirs killing) . Also frankly the cow has been milked for a long time now and KPs enjoy significant privileges, and dare i say the entire focus development of jammu region by the administration is owed to them.

Now the Jammu Massare that made jammu H majority and the complicity of Hari Singh is something that must carry the narrative thats being linked to KP exodus.

Khudai Thaynaw Raich. Hehermulkas Trath.

KP = Kashmiri Pandit ; KM = Kashmiri Muslim

I have seen too many people carrying a guilt of some sorts they should not bear.

1. It was an exodus at best not "genocide"

2. There were no "mass killings everywhere". J&K police themselves claim ( ig it was in response to a rti ) that KP deaths in 80s and 90s were 100 odd people and KM were near about 400 ( directly linked to militancy) , and even if the numbers are higher doesn't fit the claim of specific targeting claims to a genocidal extent, those targeted under militancy were mostly those who supported the Indian administration.

3. Most KPs were staunch supporters of Indian administration, occupied top posts, and systematically abused their positions to hinder KMs ( like not providing placementas in departs under them, my own grandfather recalls an incident that happened infrony of him, where a KP officer hired 15 KPs for the job and only 1 KM ) and this goes as far back as dogra rule

4. Yes they lost their homes , it was unfortunate nut parroting the indian version of events is deeply problematic when us, KMs have suffered exponentially more. Not to forget , the governor and administration at the time furled and encouraged the Mass migration of Kps because they could have a free hand in dealing with rest of population ( its not just a rumor, it was something even genuine KPs will accept)

The point of this post is not justifying everything that happened to them but an attempt to set straight the narrative regarding the issue. Also frankly the cow has been milked for a long time now and KPs enjoy significant privileges, and dare i say the entire focus development of jammu region by the administration is owed to them.

Now the Jammu Massare that made jammu H majority and the comlicity of Hari Singh is something that must carry the narrative thats being linked to KP exodus.

Khudai Thaynaw Raich. Hehermulkas Trath.