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Thesis: Although Christianity promotes sexual morals against fornication, adultery, and pornography- the extreme sexual rules some denominations and people against self-pleasure (specifically against solo-masturbation especially) and non-procreative sex acts have, is unhealthy and causes unnecessary shame.

 In 2023, a Protestant pastor named Mike Winger was answering the question of whether or not "self pleasure" (i.e. masturbation) was a sin, in his now deleted video "Masturbation is a Christian Liberty issue?". He personally confessed to jorkin' it to relieve stress, and claimed if it's not accompanied by pornography- it's generally not a sin. Protestant and Catholic online apologists alike took reactionary approaches to call him out for being a "degenerate" and how much of a "bad teacher" he is for answering anything about edging solo NOT being a spiritual offense against the heavens.

And when I was a trad-Protestant Christian spectating these spunky shots taken at Mike- I wholeheartedly agreed with these offended Christians, and I thenceforth saw Mike Winger as a heterodox GOONER PASTOR myself. Despite myself having an addiction to jorkin' it, usually accompanied with pawrn- that I would confess to a spiritual leader almost weekly in aid of beating my habit.

I've abandoned Christianity just about a year ago now. I say that porn can be personally demeaning most of the time, to the people involved- albeit it's their choice. However addiction has more to do with brain chemistry and anxiety reduction than moral decision-making. And I can definitely say if I learned how to masturbate without the aide of pawrn, in a more tempered manner than the habits I have, with the help of Winger's shameless, heterodox stroking techniques- I would have a much healthier approach to self-pleasure. Even though the rest of Christianity's regulations on sex are severely repressive.

Looking back on this "gooning heretic called out" online situation, and recalling the Roman church's moral stances and esteemed virtues throughout history about sex- I can definitely say Catholicism is the most repressive religion in regards to sex as an act of pleasure and masturbating. Orthodox Jews can have non-procreative sex. Sunni Muslims are technically allowed to masturbate with watermelons (yes, this is in accepted Hadith teachings). Mormons have soaking. Protestants can generally use birth control. But what does the Catholic Church say about your bedroom activities?

Most of it is inspired from the teachings of St. Paul, who says singleness/celibacy is "ideal" for Christians in 1 Corinthians 7, and St. Augustine- who taught all non-procreative sex for pleasure was sinful. Which led to Pope Gregory VII in the 11th Century decreeing all married priests cannot say mass, and later the church stating in Lateran II all priests must be celibate (although this is only binding on the western rite), and eventually the decree of Humanae Vitae in 1968 which prohibits all non-procreative sex AND contraceptives for Catholics. So virtually almost ALL American Catholics, those that use contraceptives, pull out, or waste seed- are committing a mortal sin which will canonically bring them into hell without penance. The only way to beat getting your spouse pregnant is via natural family planning, or beating her fertility cycle.

So in summary Catholics are walking a TIGHTROPE between grace and mortal sin- and blowing a load in the wrong place or manner will make them fall into a fiery pit forever according to their church's teachings.

And this is where I now see the heroism in Protestant heterodox figures such as Mike Winger- who admit the NT doesn't say anything about jorkin' it. And tell the Christians, that, there's nothing intrinsically wrong with a little goonin'.

One day I predict, there will be a great saint with a voice in the wilderness like Winger’s to stand up and say: “LET. THEM. GOON.”

Which leads me to say, this stance, if widely popularized in the Christian community: would certainly benefit millions of adult Christians who want to live celibate lives- because they'd rather not enter a married relationship for sexual fulfillment, and homosexual Christians who want to explore their physical pleasures who'd rather not be shamed for coming out to family as gay and making a public/private romantic relationship. And eventually a good fraction of these gooners would hopefully move on to consensual, well-educated relationships. This would be an en masse "gooning out" for people who may not want to adhere to some sect's strenuous romantic and sexual standards.

Thesis: Although Christianity promotes sexual morals against fornication, adultery, and pornography- the extreme sexual rules some denominations and people against self-pleasure (specifically against solo-masturbation especially) and non-procreative sex acts have, is unhealthy and causes unnecessary shame.

 In 2023, a Protestant pastor named Mike Winger was answering the question of whether or not "self pleasure" (i.e. masturbation) was a sin, in his now deleted video "Masturbation is a Christian Liberty issue?". He personally confessed to jorkin' it to relieve stress, and claimed if it's not accompanied by pornography- it's generally not a sin. Protestant and Catholic online apologists alike took reactionary approaches to call him out for being a "degenerate" and how much of a "bad teacher" he is for answering anything about edging solo NOT being a spiritual offense against the heavens.

And when I was a trad-Protestant Christian spectating these spunky shots taken at Mike- I wholeheartedly agreed with these offended Christians, and I thenceforth saw Mike Winger as a heterodox GOONER PASTOR myself. Despite myself having an addiction to jorkin' it, usually accompanied with pawrn- that I would confess to a spiritual leader almost weekly in aid of beating my habit.

I've abandoned Christianity just about a year ago now. I say that porn can be personally demeaning most of the time, to the people involved- albeit it's their choice. However addiction has more to do with brain chemistry and anxiety reduction than moral decision-making. And I can definitely say if I learned how to masturbate without the aide of pawrn, in a more tempered manner than the habits I have, with the help of Winger's shameless, heterodox stroking techniques- I would have a much healthier approach to self-pleasure. Even though the rest of Christianity's regulations on sex are severely repressive.

Looking back on this "gooning heretic called out" online situation, and recalling the Roman church's moral stances and esteemed virtues throughout history about sex- I can definitely say Catholicism is the most repressive religion in regards to sex as an act of pleasure and masturbating. Orthodox Jews can have non-procreative sex. Sunni Muslims are technically allowed to masturbate with watermelons (yes, this is in accepted Hadith teachings). Mormons have soaking. Protestants can generally use birth control. But what does the Catholic Church say about your bedroom activities?

Most of it is inspired from the teachings of St. Paul, who says singleness/celibacy is "ideal" for Christians in 1 Corinthians 7, and St. Augustine- who taught all non-procreative sex for pleasure was sinful. Which led to Pope Gregory VII in the 11th Century decreeing all married priests cannot say mass, and later the church stating in Lateran II all priests must be celibate (although this is only binding on the western rite), and eventually the decree of Humanae Vitae in 1968 which prohibits all non-procreative sex AND contraceptives for Catholics. So virtually almost ALL American Catholics, those that use contraceptives, pull out, or waste seed- are committing a mortal sin which will canonically bring them into hell without penance. The only way to beat getting your spouse pregnant is via natural family planning, or beating her fertility cycle.

So in summary Catholics are walking a TIGHTROPE between grace and mortal sin- and blowing a load in the wrong place or manner will make them fall into a fiery pit forever according to their church's teachings.

And this is where I now see the heroism in Protestant heterodox figures such as Mike Winger- who admit the NT doesn't say anything about jorkin' it. And tell the Christians, that, there's nothing intrinsically wrong with a little goonin'.

One day I predict, there will be a great saint with a voice in the wilderness like Winger’s to stand up and say: “LET. THEM. GOON.”

Which leads me to say, this stance, if widely popularized in the Christian community: would certainly benefit millions of adult Christians who want to live celibate lives- because they'd rather not enter a married relationship for sexual fulfillment, and homosexual Christians who want to explore their physical pleasures who'd rather not be shamed for coming out to family as gay and making a public/private romantic relationship. And eventually a good fraction of these gooners would hopefully move on to consensual, well-educated relationships. This would be an en masse "gooning out" for people who may not want to adhere to some sect's strenuous romantic and sexual standards.

In 2023, a Protestant pastor named Mike Winger was answering the question of whether or not "self pleasure" (i.e. masturbation) was a sin, in his now deleted video "Masturbation is a Christian Liberty issue?". He personally confessed to jorkin' it to relieve stress, and claimed if it's not accompanied by pornography- it's generally not a sin. Protestant and Catholic online apologists alike took reactionary approaches to call him out for being a "degenerate" and how much of a "bad teacher" he is for answering anything about edging solo NOT being a spiritual offense against the heavens.

And when I was a trad-Protestant Christian spectating these spunky shots taken at Mike- I wholeheartedly agreed with these offended Christians, and I thenceforth saw Mike Winger as a heterodox GOONER PASTOR myself. Despite myself having an addiction to jorkin' it, usually accompanied with pawrn- that I would confess to a spiritual leader almost weekly in aid of beating my habit.

I've abandoned Christianity just about a year ago now. I say that porn can be personally demeaning most of the time, to the people involved- albeit it's their choice. However addiction has more to do with brain chemistry and anxiety reduction than moral decision-making. And I can definitely say if I learned how to masturbate without the aide of pawrn, in a more tempered manner than the habits I have, with the help of Winger's shameless, heterodox stroking techniques- I would have a much healthier approach to self-pleasure. Even though the rest of Christianity's regulations on sex are severely repressive.

Looking back on this "gooning heretic called out" online situation, and recalling your church's moral stances and esteemed virtues throughout history about sex- I can definitely say Catholicism is the most repressive religion in regards to sex as an act of pleasure and masturbating. Orthodox Jews can have non-procreative sex. Sunni Muslims are technically allowed to masturbate with watermelons (yes, this is in accepted Hadith teachings). Mormons have soaking. Protestants can use birth control. But what does the Catholic Church say about your bedroom activities?

Most of it is inspired from the teachings of St. Paul, who says singleness/celibacy is "ideal" for Christians in 1 Corinthians 7, and St. Augustine- who taught all non-procreative sex for pleasure was sinful. Which led to Pope Gregory VII in the 11th Century decreeing all married priests cannot say mass, and later the church stating in Lateran II all priests must be celibate (although this is only binding on the western rite), and eventually the decree of Humanae Vitae in 1968 which prohibits all non-procreative sex AND contraceptives for Catholics. So virtually almost ALL American Catholics, those that use contraceptives, pull out, or waste seed- are committing a mortal sin which will canonically bring them into hell without penance. The only way to beat getting your spouse pregnant is via natural family planning, or beating her fertility cycle.

So in summary Catholics are walking a TIGHTROPE between grace and mortal sin- and blowing a load in the wrong place or manner will make them fall into a fiery pit forever according to their church's teachings.

And this is where I now see the heroism in figures such as Mike Winger- who admit the NT doesn't say anything about jorkin' it. And tell the Christians, that, there's nothing intrinsically wrong with a little goonin'. Let the pope edge a little at that.