u/RidavaX

Medical care in Europe is superior.
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Medical care in Europe is superior.

Sometimes it seems like Americans here, don't even try to present a reasonable argument with facts. These people read something on some Libertarian image board and here they come spreading horse shit.

  1. We have a great range of wages for doctors depending on the country from as low as 35K for a Romanian doctor to as high as 350K for a Swiss doctor. Since we don't force medical students into lifelong debt, they don't charge as much.

American doctors end their studies and start their careers with $300,000 in debts. Here they pay the $3,000 tuition and in half the cases unless they're from a wealthy family nothing. Anyone can become a doctor in Europe if they have the brains and affinity.

2. Americans do pay their doctors more and yet we in Europe live longer.

🇺🇸 United States

Average Doctor Wage: $386,000

Average Life Expectancy: 79.2 years

🇪🇺 European Union

Average Doctor Wage: $118,000

Average Life Expectancy: 81.5 years

Europe has plenty of issues. Our insulin however is 7$ a vial not $300. A Tylenol at the hospital here is $0,00. Because our hospitals can't get away with charging $500 for a $0.07 pill. A stitch is free. If you have any actual medical issues, the ambulance ride is free. If you don't it is usually still free.

3. American Pharma is superior , yet it barely benefits Americans. You guys have more advanced meds, yet you can rarely access them because they're overpriced.

When a new medicine comes out, Americans with premium healthcare or great personal wealth will be able to get it within 6-12 months. NOT the average American.

If the medicine is found to have greater efficacy than existing medicine, Europeans will have gain access to the medicine. AVERAGE Europeans. After the National government negotiates with the Pharma company, which takes ~3 years, less if it is a critical medicine.

4. The purpose is to heal people.

If I wake up with lung cancer tomorrow, I'll pay €385/$447 out of pocket. That's my deductible. If my cancer treatment is $100,000 that's fine. It's the reason I have been paying my €155/$175 insurance every month, my whole adult life to insure myself against undesirable health outcomes.

If an insured American wakes up with lung cancer, he'll have to pay ~$35,000 - $50,000 over a couple years, while they can't actually perform the labour they need to recoup those same costs, because they have fucking cancer.

If an uninsured American wakes up with lung cancer... well the greatest country on Earth, predicated upon Christian values has decided that the uninsured aren't human. They must pay $150,000 - $500,000 to treat them.

So YES, the European medical tradition and the systems European countries have built around it, IS SUPERIOR to America. I pay $175 each month.

The raw cost for a hospital to treat cancer is about $50,000 in total through all the stages. In my lifetime I will pay my basic package of $175 from 18 to 81.5 = 63.5 years. 63.5*12*175 = $133,350

Me and every other European would still pay for that cancer treatment, it isn't free. However my cost would be much closer to the actual raw costs of material, equipment, doctors, I also won't notice because I have been paying the monthly every month for 12 years now.

I don't have to die or beg on GoFundMe. I just pay insurance every month all my life. Then when I do get sick, I will use the insurance to fix the subject matter of the insurance aka my body. If I never get cancer, I'll still pay, but instead it would be for my neighbors treatment, if he ever gets cancer. Someone somewhere in this country will get cancer this week and my $175 will help make them better.

Please tell me all about the superiority of the country where they charge you $3321 for a fucking stitch.

u/RidavaX — 15 hours ago