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الإسلام حرم الكثير من الأشياء وأباح الكثير من الأشياء منها أمور تعتبر فضيعة

في أوج العصر الإسلامي كان السبى وذات اليمين باختصار ( slaves) منتشرين وتخيل معي ان يتاجر بهم او يقبض عليهم ويصبحون خدام للرجال ؟
واللي يقول انه سبب كونه حلال هو انها كانت عادة مجتمعية منتشرة فا ياعزيزي الخمر كان عادة مجتمعية منتشرة ومع ذلك تم تحريمها ولكن لايمكن تحريم السبا؟ ولم يتوقف حتى اصبح موضوع العبودية غير قانوني عالميا ولذلك اضطرّ الشيوخ على تغيير الحكم بدون دليل وتحريم هذي العبودية

وايضاً من اكثر النقاط التي تجادل الأخلاقية في الإسلام وهي المثلية وق*ل اي شخص مثلي ثبت عليه
تخيل معي ان تكون خالي من الاخلاقيات حتى تق*ل شخصين يحبون بعضهم ولم يؤذوا غيرهم
ولا يوجد اي مبرر على قتل المثليين كما بأمر دينهم

امر ثاني وهو الزواج يحق للزوج إذا اخطأت زوجته هجر زوجته في الفراش وضربها ولكن لايحق للزوجة ان تضرب زوجها او تهجره في الفراش وعليها ان تصبر على زوجها إذا اخطأ🤔

طبعا هذا من غير ذكر زواج القاصرات وتفخيذ الرضع

First if anyone wants to in depth debate me I’m free on discord anyone welcomed

I will devide this topic to three main points

\\- The existing of the Abrahamic God
\\- the story of the Abrahamic religion
\\- the morality of the God and Abrahamic religions

1 - almost everyone have same claims about this god’s existence which I’ll break down

(The problem of eternity) or some call it (everything have a cause)

This claim that for life to began there must be something or someone eternal that created everything , or that for everything to began there must be a reason

And religious people always say this can be solved with God but forget that this also can be solved with (the universe) or (the energy)
The total energy stays the same overall, though it can change form
Therefore we can assume that the energy had no beginning but changed forms to this life and universe

Second there’s problems that deny the existence of the Abrahamic God which is
(The problem of evil or suffering)
(The problem of all good)
(The problem of omnipotence)

Which is very basic for this debate but because it’s an important point

If God is all God and loving and all powerful why would he allow evil and suffering?

People would say a lot of things about this like for example

“it’s because so we can identify the good”but the question here is why do we need to identify it?
“It’s because of free will”
If God used his omnipotence to create all good world you can still chose between the good actions you can make even if you don’t identify them as good

If god is omnipotence why would he make the whole test? In a school we get tested because we will be hired in a job that requires what we learned in school and the teacher can’t give you the information magically in your head and give you the job without you doing anything right? But God CAN!, he’s omnipotence that means no test needed no worship needed because our worship is not use to him wether you worship him or not it’s not going to do anything to him yet he punish you with eternal damnation? Dose that sounds like free will and all loving God?

It’s like saying I have infinite money but I won’t help a poor family in need even tho I can , I have infinite money but I will give it to them after I give them tests that if they fail I won’t give them the money and let them starve and die? Dose that sounds like a good person?

Another claim the disproof the morality and the All loving God claim

Is why there’s creation? If God is eternal why didn’t he stay by himself? There was nothing before his creation no space no time no void no concepts just him so why creating people you will torture if you can just not creat them?

What’s worse is why judge people instead of putting people in heaven and let them be there??

I will continue this point in the second point which is the story of the religions

A specific one is the Adam story

If God is all loving and All knowing
Why did he create the apple temptation even tho he knows Adam will eat it?? ,Imagine a mom that puts poison in front of her baby that she knows that he will probably eats and say she was testing him what would you say about that mother? 🤔

Another thing is the devil was the main reason they ate it so without the devil they wouldn’t eat the fruit so they would pass the test but the ALL LOVING apparently wants Adam to fail the test so he let the devil wonder as he want in heaven? Knowing he will seduce them?

Another thing is the devil himself,
the devil is not an angel and for a being to be an angel it must have two things ,
first- incapability of doing wrong ,
second is incapability of disobeying god,
yet the devil posses none of those two ??
So why put him in a place that dosent fit him? a place that requires you to be incapable of disobedience but then punish him for disobedience?? It’s like making a lawyer a doctor and punish them for their medical errors he obviously dosent meat the requirement so the only explanation is that this god wanted someone to play the role of the bad guy so God appears as the good guy so that’s why he made the devil an angel

Lastly but not least the morality of this god

This god allows sex slavery and genocides and then call him all good??

please don’t come to me and say sex slavery at that time was a social norm that’s why it was ok ,because that will means god’s morality comes from the society norms not from him also drinking was and still a social norm yet God made it forbidden? Like this is stupidity

And also the same God erase all humanity so he can fix the world even tho this God is omnipotent so that’s means he have the ability to fix the people instead of killing them, yet he chose to drown all of humanity ?? This is hilarious

(Excuse my English it’s not my first language)

First if anyone wants to in depth debate me I’m free on discord anyone welcomed

I will devide this topic to three main points

- The existing of the Abrahamic God
- the story of the Abrahamic religion
- the morality of the God and Abrahamic religions

1 - almost everyone have same claims about this god’s existence which I’ll break down

(The problem of eternity) or some call it (everything have a cause)

This claim that for life to began there must be something or someone eternal that created everything , or that for everything to began there must be a reason

And religious people always say this can be solved with God but forget that this also can be solved with (the universe) or (the energy)
The total energy stays the same overall, though it can change form
Therefore we can assume that the energy had no beginning but changed forms to this life and universe

Second there’s problems that deny the existence of the Abrahamic God which is
(The problem of evil or suffering)
(The problem of all good)
(The problem of omnipotence)

Which is very basic for this debate but because it’s an important point

If God is all God and loving and all powerful why would he allow evil and suffering?

People would say a lot of things about this like for example

“it’s because so we can identify the good”but the question here is why do we need to identify it?
“It’s because of free will”
If God used his omnipotence to create all good world you can still chose between the good actions you can make even if you don’t identify them as good

If god is omnipotence why would he make the whole test? In a school we get tested because we will be hired in a job that requires what we learned in school and the teacher can’t give you the information magically in your head and give you the job without you doing anything right? But God CAN!, he’s omnipotence that means no test needed no worship needed because our worship is not use to him wether you worship him or not it’s not going to do anything to him yet he punish you with eternal damnation? Dose that sounds like free will and all loving God?

It’s like saying I have infinite money but I won’t help a poor family in need even tho I can , I have infinite money but I will give it to them after I give them tests that if they fail I won’t give them the money and let them starve and die? Dose that sounds like a good person?

Another claim the disproof the morality and the All loving God claim

Is why there’s creation? If God is eternal why didn’t he stay by himself? There was nothing before his creation no space no time no void no concepts just him so why creating people you will torture if you can just not creat them?

What’s worse is why judge people instead of putting people in heaven and let them be there??

I will continue this point in the second point which is the story of the religions

A specific one is the Adam story

If God is all loving and All knowing
Why did he create the apple temptation even tho he knows Adam will eat it?? ,Imagine a mom that puts poison in front of her baby that she knows that he will probably eats and say she was testing him what would you say about that mother? 🤔

Another thing is the devil was the main reason they ate it so without the devil they wouldn’t eat the fruit so they would pass the test but the ALL LOVING apparently wants Adam to fail the test so he let the devil wonder as he want in heaven? Knowing he will seduce them?

Another thing is the devil himself,
the devil is not an angel and for a being to be an angel it must have two things ,
first- incapability of doing wrong ,
second is incapability of disobeying god,
yet the devil posses none of those two ??
So why put him in a place that dosent fit him? a place that requires you to be incapable of disobedience but then punish him for disobedience?? It’s like making a lawyer a doctor and punish them for their medical errors he obviously dosent meat the requirement so the only explanation is that this god wanted someone to play the role of the bad guy so God appears as the good guy so that’s why he made the devil an angel

Lastly but not least the morality of this god

This god allows sex slavery and genocides and then call him all good??

please don’t come to me and say sex slavery at that time was a social norm that’s why it was ok ,because that will means god’s morality comes from the society norms not from him also drinking was and still a social norm yet God made it forbidden? Like this is stupidity

And also the same God erase all humanity so he can fix the world even tho this God is omnipotent so that’s means he have the ability to fix the people instead of killing them, yet he chose to drown all of humanity ?? This is hilarious

(Excuse my English it’s not my first language)