u/Maleficent_Soup_335

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I know there is little benefit to applying MMC to threaded features directly. However, consider the case where a pattern of threaded holes is used as the secondary datum feature [B] with the plane in which they are located as the primary datum feature [A].

When evaluating other features on the part (Ø21 hole position tolerance or profile tolerance in the example drawing), I'd like the datum reference frame to be [A | B(M)] so that I can use a portion of the datum shift available from the mating part's Ø14 clearance holes in the part alignment.

https://preview.redd.it/dvckyw4iwmzg1.png?width=922&format=png&auto=webp&s=ad11e97dc2aa58ceea02111c992f51c669cacd31

https://preview.redd.it/491rdx8aymzg1.png?width=358&format=png&auto=webp&s=3d1c2fe27ff774f43f2e638ba0add19fac641ab7

Now, the calculation for available datum shift due to MMB modifier on the datum B feature reference is dependent on the size tolerance of the feature (irrelevant/difficult to measure for thread pitch diameter) combined with the position tolerance of the datum B features with respect to Datum A and the other features in the pattern. Refer to ASME Y14.5-2018 Paragraph 7.11.5/6 and Figure 7-22 for MMB calculation.

From 7.11.5 "The appropriate boundary is determined by the collective effects of size and any applicable geometric tolerances relative to any higher-precedence datums."

If the pattern of threaded holes (datum feature B) has a FCF of [POS | Ø2(M) | A], then the "true geometric counterpart" of datum feature B at MMB should allow an additional Ø2 of clearance. Meaning a M10 threaded hole has a Ø2 undersize true geometric counterpart.

Perhaps this is easiest to apply if we specify Datum Feature [B] as the "MINOR DIAMETER" of the threaded holes (or "MAJOR DIAMETER" for male threads). Then, in this example, we can use a pin Ø2 undersize of the drill size (8.5+/-0.1mm) that creates the minor diameter.

Have any of you used MMB on threaded datum features? Does metrology software support this case?

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u/Maleficent_Soup_335 — 8 days ago