u/L0velyDayyyyyyyyy

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⚠️PART 2 -- Grandparents taking kids overseas, I said not yet, Response = left chat groups

(Part1:

https://www.reddit.com/r/entitledparents/comments/1slvich/grandparents\_taking\_kids\_overseas\_i\_said\_not\_yet/)

Yesterday, I asked who's left in the family chat group about the trip (my dad) if the trip is still on because my mom left our only 2 chat groups and we're confused. My dad read it but ignored me. After a while, I said we will just book our own flights if we hear nothing back.

THEN my dad confirmed the trip is still on. I said how are we supposed to discuss anything about the trip when she leaves the chat group. He said why don't you ask her. I said because she left. He said why won't you message her. I finally just said IF YOU GUYS CAN'T COMMUNICATE LIKE ADULTS, I'M CANCELLING THIS TRIP AND BUYING SEPARATE TICKETS.

THEN my mom appears outta nowhere and messages me. She confirms it's still booked and she can't and won't cancel it - that she left the group because she was too upset. I asked what she was even upset about. She said don't worry about it. I said I can't go with you if you can't communicate, you just shut down and ghost me. She said she is trying to calm herself down. I said by leaving the 2 family chat groups? I reiterated that she had told me before she wouldn't treat me like this anymore (like 2 yrs ago during our last incident, and the years before that as well). She said yes, please it's my way of having peace in my head, we have a lot of stuff going on right now, and if you book another trip, that means thousands of dollars wasted.

I said nothing. Then in the middle of the night, she sends me a text:

"When we were talking about another trip with the kids, you immediately shut the idea down. The way you said it, made me feel rejected. I felt like we are not capable or trustworthy enough to be around your kids. You could have turned me down gently. When I first talk about Hawaii, you did exactly the same thing. You didn't like the idea. So you shut it down.  You only changed your mind when your kid read something about it from his book. I want you to realize, and I have said it before, we are getting old. We don't have a lot more years that we can travel. 

Speaking of mortality, did you even read your dad's email about his prognosis? How come you never reply? How come you never ask how is he doing? How come you never ask if there is an update about his health?  He needs support especially now with a serious diagnosis. Speaking of ghosting, he feels ignored by you and your brother. He was so depressed that you won't let us travel more with the kids that he cried like a child.  

But anyways, I feel sad, disappointed, and rejected.  But I will respect your decision.  It is what it is. If you don't feel comfortable taking this Hawaiian trip with us, please go with your family. You can use the plane tickets and the hotel we reserved. It's paid for with a travel insurance. It will be a waste of money and my effort if you book another trip. So, please don't book another trip."

I hadn't said anything because I was trying to come up with a response. She was begging for a response from me, freaking out about the cancellation and the money. Ends up saying just use our tickets to go without us, please. (Meanwhile, I'm trying to get my kids ready for school).

My response:

"First of all, I never received an email. You said that you guys were relieved, everything was fine.

To continue, my heart is shattered to be going through this once again. I'm trying to come up with a response. But no matter how I put it, it's gonna be the same outcome. I'm gonna keep having the finger pointed at ME, having it turned around on ME. I can't deal with the deflecting anymore. You never take accountability. It's NOT ok to constantly disappear on people you love, to keep them hanging. You've even done it for months at a time. You don't respect my decisions, my brother's decisions. You push and push and push and then act surprised when the relationship is strained. How am I supposed to know you're not gonna pull the same stuff on my own kids? You two enable each other.

When we have conflicts, we confide in people we love and trust to get their perspectives. You guys don't have anyone to speak to about conflicts except each other, and I think it's unhealthy. You have isolated people. I've been to therapy about this exact situation and my kid also went for other reasons. It helped us and I think seeing a therapist would help you guys, too.

I can't go to Hawaii with you - we're going by ourselves and buying our own way. You can cancel or transfer to another destination for yourselves. I'm done with this."

She just replied "ok."

Later she adds "I am sorry about all this. I just got my feel- ings hurt and the stress at work and your dad's health is getting to me. Its my fault. Have a fun time in Hawaii and be careful."

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u/L0velyDayyyyyyyyy — 4 days ago
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Grandparents taking kids overseas, I said not yet, Response = left chat groups

My parents asked me if they could take my kids (7 and 9 yrs old) overseas to Europe this year (we're already going to Hawaii together next month). I said no I'm not comfortable with that. They kept pushing, trying to guilt-trip me saying stuff like they're getting old, this will benefit them, etc. I'm paranoid something bad will happen and I will be too far far away to do anything about it.

Then they said I can come too and my husband (he has a family business so less likely). I have a history of them not respecting my decisions, my boundaries - being dismissive, pushing me, ghosting me when they don't get their way, getting mad at me just because I'm mad at them, etc.

This is what I said in response to their invite: "I’d feel more comfortable if at least one of us is there. We do see the kids starting to get more interested in learning and the kinds of things you experience at museums, and we even hear them randomly sharing little facts they pick up. They’re also becoming a little more tolerant of hikes. But knowing our kids right now, we think a full Europe trip would still be pretty difficult at this age with the long days, a lot of walking, and trying to take in a lot of historical sightseeing. We don't believe they have the attention span and tolerance for that right now. So we feel it would be a better experience when they’re a little older and more able to fully enjoy and get the most out of that kind of trip. We can revisit the idea then."

I think that was a very fair reply. My mom's response was leaving our family chat group about our Hawaii trip. She also left our regular family chat group with my in-laws and brother and his wife............

Here we go again. And I'm supposed to be the crazy one for not wanting them to take the kids to a foreign country... They do not communicate, do not respect us as parents, are not emotionally stable. I just know I would say no to this or that on said trip and they'd just do it anyways because they do not respect us - they think their decisions are best. I mean, I didn't even say no to the idea in the end... I said not yet.

I haven't told the kids for months about our Hawaii trip for this very reason - my parents might act up again. I think my mom is going to cancel our trip without saying anything (again) out of anger. I guess I should wait a couple days and see what she says? And then just buy our own flights and hotel to go on our own.

They ghosted us 2 yrs ago for months. I told them they hurt me when they acted like I wasn't being a good mother and I was upset - I left their house in tears after I said they made me feel like a bad mother because they thought for some reason I didn't feed them good enough. They didn't try to console me. Their response was to get upset right back and ignore me for months. My husband was furious. My brother and my in-laws learned of this and were shocked about their treatment of me. There have been other incidents before this. The last time though was the longest ghosting they did to me and I was very depressed. They even live extremely close. My husband was the one who reached out to try to fix it. Eventually, they agreed they wouldn't act this way anymore.

Here we go again. Here the fck we go...

Am I crazy? Because they always make me feel like I'm going crazy and I can never trust myself and I need to get confirmation...

EDIT:
Thank you all for your responses. I might not get to respond to everyone, but I am reading them all and I am very appreciate of all your input.

PART 2: https://www.reddit.com/r/entitledparents/comments/1sn5jnk/comment/ogphkre/

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u/L0velyDayyyyyyyyy — 6 days ago