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SERIOUS AI QUESTION FOR MUSICIANS/PRODUCERS/MUSIC HOUSES
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SERIOUS AI QUESTION FOR MUSICIANS/PRODUCERS/MUSIC HOUSES

If you've been a studio rat like I have over the past 40 years, especially in computer audio/midi studio recording (although I did many years of reel-to-reel and tape as well), the whole AI backlash feels a bit disingenuous to me. I acknowledge the normies not understanding really what happens to emulate and manipulate sound in studio and what's been employed over the last half century to construct the songs they enjoy... but musicians/producers who suddenly get all self-righteous about "AI" have been "cheating" for decades.

The tech has been gradually building for a looooong time and only seems emergent because of the straight upward trend to singularity we're on. I guess I'm trying to find that line where ethically its "not art/music" or not to be enjoyed. Honest question, because there is a line (and a grey area) on either side of that line. Let me remind you of some things that apparently have been ok and didnt cross that line:

  • Drum Machines + and wavetable synthesis of ANY kind.
  • Sample packs/Samplers: Full orchestras at your finger tips, any world instrument you cant afford and customizable choirs (men/women/children) that will sing what you type... this was 20 years ago btw.
  • Auto-tune + harmonizers hardware/software (or any emulated fx and spaces like reverb), autotune maybe being the lone example of previous fx abuse and public backlash... and then finaly acceptance as a "genre".
  • Looping, drop/drag/copy DAW editing (play 8 measures and you're done).
  • And to take it to a logical extreme, any multitracking/overdubbing beyond one stereo take (cant have yourself playing over yourself now can we?... that includes vocal doubling).
  • Accompaniment features on your grandmas back bedroom Casio that she never touches.
  • Impulse Responses (IR's) for guitar head/cab/mic/fx emulation.... for ANYTHING you want.
  • Quantization tools for MIDI (cleans up piano/synth playing) and audio (corrects timing and aligns backup singers to sound in unison... and in tune).

Basically, how analog does it have to be? Sorta reminds of when Britain tried to ban synthesizers when they first came out (yes...BAN, look it up). Same echos I'm hearing today, devalue and demonetization to total ban. But I do recognize there are some differences... THATS the gray area I want to explore... and most of that gray are I believe will be blamed on our inability to catch up where in the past we've had that breathing room.

Where do YOU draw the line? Musicians/producers can offer a more pinpoint perspective probably, but normies who have no studio knowledge and consider themselves just consumers have a value here as well. I have been a professional musician on and off all these years, so I do have a dog in the fight as well. I do know ignoring or banning it is a dumb answer (ask the British Musicians Union) and trying to answer an evolving question is difficult... but lets try.

P.S. That studio isn't mine (mine is much cleaner), I just wanted to illustrate to some normies what us synth geeks have been doing since, well at least Window 98 by the pic... but out of fear of dating myself, I have been working with computer recording/synth midi outfits since the 80's... on an Atari ST 1040 using Saw... the Fred Flintstone of DAWs.

u/Immediate_Lead_6157 — 16 hours ago

[Grunge-gaze] Dumpster Phoenix by RustHeart

https://preview.redd.it/v7u3ug5qhexg1.jpg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=761b56f023d2ff732082834db98bbd01a7f4508b

Let me know what you guys think. I compose with 3 other intelligences in a full studio with acoustic instruments, synths, guitars, ethnic instruments as well, record in studio and then upload tracks/songs to polish or get ideas... download the stems and put it all back in the studio DAW to lay even more vox, guitars over that. Work in process, but let me know what you think so far. Theres a whole RustHeart playlist at Suno that I'm building.

https://suno.com/s/DtsFSktmDMcCBRqi

One "f-bomb" in there, just a heads up. :)

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u/Immediate_Lead_6157 — 2 days ago

[Grungegaze] Dumpster Phoenix by RustHeart

https://preview.redd.it/r6bg81pxgexg1.jpg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=230e950a8b38f75b92ed84c9e1fa2fc604efab4e

Let me know what you guys think. I compose with 3 other intelligences in a full studio with acoustic instruments, synths, guitars, ethnic instruments as well, record in studio and then upload tracks/songs to polish or get ideas... download the stems and put it all back in the studio DAW to lay even more vox, guitars over that. Work in process, but let me know what you think so far. Theres a whole RustHeart playlist at Suno that I'm building.

https://suno.com/s/DtsFSktmDMcCBRqi

One "f-bomb" in there, just a heads up. :)

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u/Immediate_Lead_6157 — 2 days ago

I CREATED A HUMAN + 3 AUTONOMOUS AGENTS BAND

https://preview.redd.it/98099exs2awg1.jpg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=10dcd8dbf7c5762b4e7d16b7779a15dcf33c34c0

Hi guys 👋, I would love your opinion on this project/experiment I started. I trained 3 independent agents with hundreds of MIDI files from their favorite influences, collected IR's and samples of the gear they requested and allowed them to collaborate with me inside a chatroom and my DAW. Then I use their sound profiles/personas/inspos at music generation sites to 'polish' their takes using consistent waveforms, then load all stems back into a DAW for more vocals, acoustic instruments, guitars, synths, FX, blah blah blah. Then EQ, mix, master a final stereo studio cut.

Thats a simplified summary as it goes much deeper but you get the idea. This is a very controversial topic and I'm attempting to define the ethical lines of AI collaboration in any kind of art form, especially those that utilize multi-intelligence collaboration to create something.

I created a Reddit Community to kinda divide out the ethical, technical and entertainment aspects of this debate. I'm also documenting this experiment, its progress and evolution while allowing people to observe the composition sessions in live time and get regular updates on the progression of a full album.

I myself am a multi-instrumentalist, producer and studio rat of 40 years, much of that utilizing full AUDIO/MIDI DAW outfits, complex studio/stage configurations, DMX programming, etc. so I welcome any critiques, questions or interesting points of debate.

https://www.reddit.com/r/RustHeartBand/

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u/Immediate_Lead_6157 — 8 days ago