u/HistoricMultiverse

Ousted Uruguayan president Baltasar Brum shot himself in public in 1933, any other crazy examples like this?

Are there any examples of world leaders (serving or deposed) who died in unusual or extreme circumstances while in office, or shortly after losing power?

I’m thinking beyond the obvious cases like Hitler at the end of WW2. I also recently came across the story of Australian Prime Minister Harold Holt, who disappeared while swimming and was never found.

But I’m more curious about cases involving suicides, mysterious deaths, or leaders who met strange or unexpected ends even after being deposed.

Any lesser-known examples?

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u/HistoricMultiverse — 7 days ago

British Tiger Force could have changed outcome of WW2 in Japan?

I’ve been reading about Tiger Force (British bombers assigned for bombing Japan) and it feels like one of those things that almost happened but gets completely overlooked. By 1945 Britain was preparing to send a long-range bombing force to the Pacific, built around the Avro Lincoln, which was basically an upgraded Lancaster designed for longer range operations.

The plan was to operate out of places like Okinawa and join the bombing campaign against the Japanese home islands, but when you look at the timing it’s hard to see how much difference it really would’ve made. The B-29 was already in huge numbers and had been devastating cities with firebombing, Japan’s air defences were collapsing, and then the atomic bombs arrive not long after.

It kind of feels like Tiger Force would’ve just added more weight to something that was already overwhelming rather than changed the outcome itself.

That said, if you shift the scenario slightly and imagine the war dragging into 1946 without nuclear weapons, then it starts to feel a lot more relevant, because hundreds of Lincolns hitting Japan regularly alongside the Americans could’ve kept the pressure at a really high level and given Britain a much bigger role in the final phase of the war.

Curious what people think—was it basically too late to matter, or one of those things that only really becomes important in a longer war scenario?

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u/HistoricMultiverse — 7 days ago

What if the Bari disaster of 1943 led to the use of Chemical Weapons in WW2?

December 2nd, 1943 — the port of Bari in Italy is hit by a German air raid, later nicknamed the “Little Pearl Harbor.”

What’s less well known is that one of the ships in the harbour was secretly carrying mustard gas.

When it was hit, the gas leaked into the water and air, exposing hundreds of soldiers and civilians. At first, no one understood what was happening—there were no obvious wounds. Then hours later, people began developing burns, blindness, and severe breathing problems.

The incident was kept quiet at the time to avoid escalation.

But it raises an interesting historical question:

If Germany had realised chemical weapons were present and chosen to respond in kind, could that have triggered wider chemical warfare in WW2?

By late 1943, both sides had stockpiles ready—but there was also a clear fear of retaliation on a massive scale.

So I’m curious—do you think this would actually have escalated, or was the threat of mutual destruction enough to prevent it?

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u/HistoricMultiverse — 9 days ago