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Tip: How to get SUNO to generate the specific sounds you want
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Tip: How to get SUNO to generate the specific sounds you want

I see a lot of complaints that tracks generated by SUNO are "too generic," which generally boils down to frustration that it is not outputting what people want.

And the truth is that the more you leave the algorithm to guess what you want, the less satisfied you're going to be with what you get.

Short of learning to play an instrument, recording the bones of a track and inputting to SUNO -- which is not what many people want to hear, and always devolves into arguments -- the best solution is to learn to better describe what you want.

That also presents a problem, because SUNO won't allow you to use artist and song names the same way a lot of image generators won't let you name artists or characters.

So how do you get around this problem?

By using the vast amout of information about popular music available on the web.

I will use Michael Jackson's Thriller as an example, since everyone is familiar with the song.

You can look up information on the studio sessions for Thriller, or better yet, you can go to Youtube to find people recreating the song on the original hardware used to record it.

Here's one such video:

https://youtu.be/BH9LJaaokj4?si=L2GDdpis_0pIIzAV

From this, you can learn that the majority of the synth and drum machine work on Thriller was recorded on a Jupiter-8, a Minimoog, and the ARP-2600.

The Youtuber even breaks down the wave forms, oscillator, attack and reverb settings, etc.

Now when you go back to SUNO, you can tell the algorithm that you want a synth bass as generated by a Jupiter-8 saw wave, and give it explicit instructions on reverb, attack, delay, etc.

Try it. It works!

If you want a specific progression you will still need to upload a stem file because SUNO still can't follow simple and explicit instructions on chord progressions and notes, but you can combine the above information with specifics on genre, rhythm, BPM, etc.

When you put in the extra effort like this, entirely new possibilities open up as you are able to exert more control over the sound.

Is it the same as playing it yourself? No. You will still need to learn to do that if you want absolute control. But that is a fact of life, even in the age of algorithms, and it is the same thing you would have to do anyway if you were using, say, the software VST modeled versions of a Jupiter or a Minimoog by Native Instruments, Arturia, etc.

If people find this helpful, I will post more examples of this sort of thing, at least within my realm of experience and genre familiarity. But a lot of this stuff is universal anyway, or as close as it's possible to get in music.

And the good news is, unless you're trying to emulate the sounds of an extremely obscure artist, you should be able to expand your descriptive vocabulary and greatly increase your control over the sounds you get.

There is a universe of difference between doing it this way and simply writing a prompt like "hip hop, west coast, summer vibes, slow tempo" and hoping for the best.

u/Herakuraisuto — 5 days ago
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I am reworking a song I wrote and recorded years ago and i uploaded it so SUNO can use my vocals as a guide, however SUNO still can't get the pronunciation of certain words right.

This track includes references to Herodotus, Rameses, Anubis and several others from Greek/Egyptian antiquity. The rhyme schemes are extremely precise, so mispronunciation throws off multisyllabic rhymes that repeat for several bars.

I'm not even going for completely strict Greek pronunciations (Egyptian is another matter, since the written language is ambiguous and it's a dead language), I just want to get the vowels and basic structure right for the sake of the song.

So far attempts at phonetic spelling have failed me. Does anyone have experience with this, or is there maybe a guide somewhere that can help me nudge the pronunciations back on track?

And does anyone know why the algorithm is not using my pronunciation from the original I'm remixing? It's odd that it's disregarding that.

Cheers

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u/Herakuraisuto — 8 days ago

In Judas Unchained, Wilson Kime sent Oscar and one of his buddies (the wormhole expedition team leader, IIRC) to the High Angel to ask it about the Dyson Pair.

Oscar asked directly about the Dyson spheres and asked whether the High Angel had encountered anything like it, to which the High Angel said it had not, and even said it was interested in what Kime and his crew would find.

Likewise, the Raiel had suspiciously little to say about the Dyson pair or the Prime, even when the human navy and authorities asked what would happen if the Prime attacked High Angel/the Icalanise system.

Later, we find out of course that the Raiel very much knew about the Prime, the DF spheres were Raiel technology, and although the Raiel did not deploy the DF spheres themselves, they willingly provided the technology to another species to deploy it to contain the Prime.

Even if we accept that the Raiel and warrior Raiel were different factions, it's impossible to believe the "regular" Raiel didn't know about the DF spheres or the Prime.

The Raiel did, after all, man the observation project at the Void itself, where DF spheres were deployed.

Humans didn't know that at the time, but again: why deny knowing about the spheres and the Prime? And given the involvement of Raiel like Qatux in the Starflyer war, and the fact that they were the ones who built the tech, why not warn humans?

Furthermore, why leave humanity to face MorningLightMountain alone?

I realize there are narrative reasons. The story's stakes are lower if some incredibly powerful older brother type race could just swoop in and save the day, but on the whole it does not make much sense.

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u/Herakuraisuto — 10 days ago

So there's a manned mission to Titan to search for life, and it's treated as a minor C p�lot while the A plot is another riot/civil unrest narrative and the B plot is a kind-of detective story.

Shows need drama and story beats. I get it.

I just think the writers chose to manufacture the drama in the wrong place, retreading narrative territory from the previous season while pushing space exploration/wonder/the indomitable human spirit to the background.

Just so we're clear, I hope I'm wrong and the Titan mission isn't limited to the crew checking in with a message for a minute per episode.

But I also wish this season was getting us highly invested in a manned mission to Europa, with natural tension from the challenges they face and the excitement of possibility that comes from discovering what's out there. And by "there," I mean the subsurface oceans of possible the weirdest place in our star system.

FAM has always been at its best when mixing drama with the tension of high stakes space missions.

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u/Herakuraisuto — 18 days ago