u/Efficient-Book-5853

We’ve all seen this — someone from a communist country who is here to regale everyone with how terrible it was and tell us that the only reason you’d be sympathetic to far left politics is because you live in the West and have never experienced communism yourself.

There’s a lot wrong with this line of reasoning. To name just a few errors:

  1. It assumes the classic either-or dichotomy of communism and capitalism. You can’t criticize capitalism because the alternative is supposedly worse — pretty much this is just whataboutism.

  2. It relies on emotional blackmail. Leaving aside the substance of the issues for a moment, this is the political equivalent of a guilt trip. It basically accuses someone of wrongthink on the basis of supposed socioeconomic privilege — pretty much this is just ad hominem.

  3. It assumes that having a negative experience somehow makes you correct. “I lived in this system and it sucked.” Okay, and? You didn’t like living under the system. Wouldn’t it suffice to say, for instance, that there were food shortages that didn’t exist under capitalism. That would be an actual point. Instead, these people need to make it about themselves and what they went through — god forbid they make an argument that could be made by anyone lol — pretty much this is just an appeal to emotion.

One could go on because using your personal background in an argument, though not intrinsically faulty, often leads people to make shitty arguments. But this tendency is particularly pernicious, and pro-capitalist people seem to think that it’s some kind of “own” that there exist people who lived under communism who didn’t like it . . . well, we’re people who live under capitalism, and we don’t like it.

Maybe we have more in common than we thought.

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u/Efficient-Book-5853 — 6 days ago

Hello everyone,

I want to make it clear that it’s okay to hate capitalism.

I know what you’re thinking:

>I’ve heard some of the arguments in Thomas Sowell’s Basic Economics! I can’t hate capitalism!

>Friedrich Hayek had some good points in The Road to Serfdom! I can’t hate capitalism!

>Milton Friedman told me I can’t hate capitalism! I can’t hate capitalism!

Lol, well, yes, you can, actually. You can have whatever opinions you want. As a matter of fact, anyone can have whatever opinions they want! Isn’t life grand?

Here’s my actual two cents: capitalism is an inherently exploitative system that is dependent on the extraction of surplus value from working people to sustain an upper class with a vested interest in the continued extraction of surplus value. This upper class, both through its own explicit actions and the ideology that stems from the material base that supports it, has sycophants in the academic realm. Cheering it on. Doing its bidding. Trying to convince you that the system is “natural” and that if you don’t agree with it, you’re wrong because reasons.

The reality, of course, is that it is okay to hate capitalism.

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u/Efficient-Book-5853 — 8 days ago

Why is it that Natalie is the only person in the online left who’s consistently likable and correct on issues?

In her latest interview, she stated she agrees with Freud’s idea that humans are ultimately motivated by sex and aggression. She also seemed to express an appreciative but somewhat skeptical attitude to Kant’s attempt to render human moral intuitions purely rationale.

It’s true! It always pays to be skeptical of someone’s motives.

Let’s take as an example a racist who is complaining about urban crime. Do they actually care about urban crime? No, they do not. They are merely directing aggression at an ethnic group they want to feel superior to, but they need some cover. Urban crime will do.

So there you go.

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u/Efficient-Book-5853 — 9 days ago

My fullest sympathies to the mods if this gets removed for being a bit detached from theory as such, but I think it’s probably okay.

Anyway, I have an intuitive hatred for capitalism. All I have to do is drive from point A to point B, and I am forced to observe the power structures of a system I hate all around me. Strip mall after strip mall after strip mall. Consumerism is a true blight. I’d probably hate it even if I’d never read a word of Marx.

The thing is that for most people, they’re totally oblivious. For most, your standard, petty bourgeois strip mall is a purely immediate, everyday thing — they do not see that it is, in reality, part of a mediating chain of property relations that alienates people from their own labor, and therefore, cuts them off from the intuitive, simple joy of life. Consumerism removes people from their own humanity.

In any event (and if only for the purpose of mental health), it’s important to recognize that capitalist ideology is not reality, even if it has most people fooled. The commodity fetish is an illusion.

Life is about authentic human relationships and meaningful work — and none of this is to be found within the commodity. Strangely, though, if you live under capitalism, having this level of awareness is itself alienating. There is a constant propaganda push trying to convince you you’re wrong, and on top of that, most people won’t agree with you. At risk of sounding unprincipled, having openly anti-capitalist politics is a social liability.

Comrades, I will leave off with this — cultivate self-respect. Do not let the system lie to you and say that you are somehow strange or misshapen because you see through it. Love the ones you love, and do work you enjoy. Everything else, besides our drive toward emancipation, is noise.

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u/Efficient-Book-5853 — 10 days ago
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My fullest sympathies to the mods if this gets removed for being a bit detached from theory as such, but I think it’s probably okay.

Anyway, I have an intuitive hatred for capitalism. All I have to do is drive from point A to point B, and I am forced to observe the power structures of a system I hate all around me. Strip mall after strip mall after strip mall. Consumerism is a true blight. I’d probably hate it even if I’d never read a word of Marx.

The thing is that for most people, they’re totally oblivious. For most, your standard, petty bourgeois strip mall is a purely immediate, everyday thing — they do not see that it is, in reality, part of a mediating chain of property relations that alienates people from their own labor, and therefore, cuts them off from the intuitive, simple joy of life. Consumerism removes people from their own humanity.

In any event (and if only for the purpose of mental health), it’s important to recognize that capitalist ideology is not reality, even if it has most people fooled. The commodity fetish is an illusion.

Life is about authentic human relationships and meaningful work — and none of this is to be found within the commodity. Strangely, though, if you live under capitalism, having this level of awareness is itself alienating. There is a constant propaganda push trying to convince you you’re wrong, and on top of that, most people won’t agree with you. At risk of sounding unprincipled, having openly anti-capitalist politics is a social liability.

Comrades, I will leave off with this — cultivate self-respect. Do not let the system lie to you and say that you are somehow strange or misshapen because you see through it. Love the ones you love, and do work you enjoy. Everything else, besides our drive toward emancipation, is noise.

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u/Efficient-Book-5853 — 10 days ago