u/Dry_Try_695

So let's cover some ground rules first.

1. Beheaded only has one body and if his vessel dies he also dies

2.This is INDIE CROSS GANG not game counterparts, so if your asking about someone having "[blank] weapon", then look back through the ep.

3. I'm allowing Nightmare Cuphead to be a thing, but not Kratos Shovel Knight because it would be a stomp by then.

And before anyone says that "Xiao isn't a fixer" she has the strength to be one, so she's a winner in my book.

Anyways who's winning is a whole 'nother ballgame. 3 out of 8 of them has the power to awaken EGO, two of them are like that strongest in the city (Kali and Iori), one of them has a relic, one of them can burn people alive, one fought a creepy ass whale with a long as neck, one of them doesn't even have on screen feats, one of them has their wife dead, one of them are immune to long range attacks, and one of them fought for 3 days against a strong elder Bloodfiend aka a Don Quixote in his prime.

Yeah I think PM wins.

But seriously I think they do. I mean, Iori could keep up with Drifter (possibly, fact check me if I'm wrong). Kali is enough for Beheaded and Knight. Vespa, Roland, and Vergilius got Frisk covered. Argalia and Xiao could fight V1 (reminder, in the encore level, V1 has a overheating system, so if he overheats, he's dead, and Xiao is all heat, and Argalia is immune to long range weapons which mostly counters V1 arsenal). And I believe Indigo, White Knight, and Sigfied could take on the rest.

But what do u guys think?

Okay so for this one I'm adding limitations so that the House of Spiders doesn't get shit stomped.

1. No Kratos Scaling for Shovel and

2. This is Act 1 V1

Canto 9 spoliers if u haven't played it yet!

Anyways with that out of the way let me present my case. 2 out of the 5 Nursefathers have relics, one of them making him as strong as a Color Fixer (the Lævateinn) which are like City Block (correct me if I'm wrong) and the other can see and predict enemies attacks (Eye of Odin).

Other than that there are some strong ones like Rien with his Furioso-replica, Shiomi with Aryashiki, and Callisto with Tibia.

Also Sora with her EGO would be a big problem for generally everyone.

I would say that V1, Drifter, and Zangreus would be a problem to the House of Spiders, but I think they'll win no less.

So who wins? Well I really don't know, I just had this thought and honestly I think it's quite even.

Two out of five of the Nursefathers have a relic, one of them being able to predict attacks, the other matching the skill of a Color Fixer which is at I'm assuming large town to small city level.

The rest are uhhh... I don't know how I would classify them.

Rien is a Roland copy with his Furioso-replica, Callisto with Tibia and Shiomi with Aryashiki, makes this battle I would say quite difficult.

I would say it's more of a "who could fight for longer" then one of skill.

Who wins this one? Well... I guess I'll give my take on this.

First, let's get the elephant out of the room, Junko wins this no doubt.

With Junko obviously taking 1st place let's also remove Ryoshu because of Aryashiki and the bullshit it does in Canto 9.

Now that leaves Toriel, Bellora and Bandage girl. Now Bellora or Mrs Afton, gets her shit stomped, obviously. Yes she's an animatronic but what is that going to do against people like Bandage girl and Toriel.

Bandage girl is relatively the same with Meat Boy, having taken down a celestial being for her kid, so that puts her above Toriel already.

But who do u guys think wins?

So, honestly, I think Baral wins this.

Baral has way to much feats and practically speedblitz Shovel I think, unless someone has something to say.

What makes Baral so deadly is that he is a Claw, the Head's foot soldiers. In Lobotomy Corp, they are classified as an "Aleph", making Claws a big threat already, not to mention the Serums.

Let me break down what the Serums are.

There is W Serum, the blue one, which can warp through dimensions given that its from W Corp's singularity.

There is K Serum from K Corp, which can regenerate torn limbs. If they can do that, then I reckon they could patch up any wound.

Last but not least, there is R Serum from R Corp. I dont know much about this one but I reckon that it gives a massive boost to Baral physically in every stat.

Not to mention, Baral did deal a ton of damage to Roland, since he is a Grade 1 Fixer, and took out the whole south section of the Middle.

So I think Baral wins.

So, I think there is one deciding factor at play here. Will I give Shovel Knight Kratos Scaling?

Why does that matter?

Well, because of Philip or the Crying Children. In lore, stated by mutiple people, have killed millions of people in (Z corp, I think or something like that?) I'm willing to bet that that's more than anyone has combined with the Indie Cross gang, not including the heavy hitters. Each of the Blue Ensemble have their own sort of counter to the Indie Cross gang for example, Argalia won't get damaged if Cuphead fires at him because he can't take damage from long range weapons. Another one with Argalia, the twink in the middle, is that he is a Color Fixer, the highest ranking a fixer could get (albeit they could get taken down by other grade 1 fixers). Why is that important? Well, he scales to Roland, who is also a Color Fixer and took down an the entire Middle South Syndicate on his rampage after his wife died. Great Brothers are comparable to Color Fixers since in Limbus there is Vespa and he is a Color Fixer. Big Brothers are probably comparable to grade 1-3 fixers, I'm guessing. Anyways my point is Argalia will be a big trouble if they don't lock in against him or get jumped.

Anyways I think the Blue Ensemble wins.