u/Demarwal

Antinatalism and "a related philosophy some hold" go against the grain of reality itself — its structure, its logic, its implicit "goals". People are part of that system, hardwired toward survival and reproduction. That's not a bug, that's the operating principle. Actually, it's us who are "bugs in the operating system".

On top of that, people are continuously exploited through their own nature — instinctual drives and subconscious patterns — by those who understand how the system works and use it deliberately, and shape the systems we live in.

And there's a selection effect: those who see through it and refuse to play along tend to get marginalized. Ostracized, economically excluded, sometimes worse. The system doesn't need to actively suppress truth — it just makes truth-tellers unviable.

So the "failure" of antinatalism isn't a refutation. It's evidence. A reality that structurally eliminates its own critics is not neutral — it has a direction, and that direction isn't toward less suffering.

The uncomfortable conclusion is that power concentrates in the hands of those who operate well within the current logic — which is precisely not our logic. And that's unlikely to change from the inside.

We're just tools and slaves being used by those whom the system naturally selects and rewards.
Some call that evil.
Some call it Satan.
The label doesn't matter — the structure does.

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u/Demarwal — 8 days ago