u/ChosenFriendlyOne

1. Why do we make dua? how do we know its from allah? kids get christmas gifts and then because they believe in santa, they think santa gave it to them. what makes islam different? how do we know if things happen because of a dua or if were giving credit to allah for things that wouldve happened regardless? Would a dua change things that wouldve happened otherwise?

2. A creator made us with limited understanding for the divine. We can only understand things based on what we see, what we feel, the experiences we go through etc. we try very hard to find the truth, but because we cant fully understand the divine, it just doesnt click with us. that makes sense because we make conclusions based on concrete evidence we can find reason in. we act morally and harm noone and have a positive impact on the world. how is it fair to punish us ETERNALLY for not believing in the divine when we were created specifically to not be able to understand it?

thanks in advance for any help, feeling lost fr

1. Why do we make dua? how do we know its from allah? kids get christmas gifts and then because they believe in santa, they think santa gave it to them. what makes islam different? how do we know if things happen because of a dua or if were giving credit to allah for things that wouldve happened regardless? Would a dua change things that wouldve happened otherwise?
2. A creator made us with limited understanding for the divine. We can only understand things based on what we see, what we feel, the experiences we go through etc. we try very hard to find the truth, but because we cant fully understand the divine, it just doesnt click with us. that makes sense because we make conclusions based on concrete evidence we can find reason in. we act morally and harm noone and have a positive impact on the world. how is it fair to punish us ETERNALLY for not believing in the divine when we were created specifically to not be able to understand it?

thanks in advance for any help, feeling lost fr

school is a place where a child is supposed to develop and learn about the world. im in an islamic boarding school. i thought these teachers were chill. theyre open to debate and discussion, which i very much fuck with, even if they often do not answer my questions.
a few weeks ago i asked what, to me, are questions worth thinking about during a class where we talk about islam. i asked:

1. why do we make dua? how do we know its from allah? kids get christmas gifts and then because they believe in santa, they think santa gave it to them. what makes islam different? how do we know if things happen because of a dua or if were giving credit to allah for things that wouldve happened regardless?

>teacher is like: were allahs servants so we have to ask him for things. hell give us things and maybe he wont give them immediately, or he will give us something better-even if we dont know it. we cant comprehend things that are divine. just have faith.
(which is honestly a dumbass fucking answer, im sorry. just reinforces my point. how do we know if things will or wont happen if we do/dont make dua? like things are going to happen, ur js making simple shit sound complicated and basically glazing allah)

i said:

2. a human makes a robot and the human makes it so that the robot cant understand 'divine' things (the humans). it learns based on experiences. what it feels, what it sees etc. the robot will try very hard to find truth, but because they were made to not be able to understand the divine, they cant find sense in religion. that makes sense, right? they make conclusions based on things they understand concretely. theyre a good robot aside from this. like, they dont do any harm, they have a positive impact on the world. would it make sense, then, for the human to then torture the robot for not believing in the divine? when it was made specifically to not be able to understand it?

>answer: just have faith.

I have been trying to discuss islam in this fuckass school. answers are always: iman, iman, iman. (faith). fine. my friends are genuinely curious, and none of them want the answer to be 'have faith' because that doesnt answer anything !! how am i supposed to have faith when questions go unanswered like this ???

before this, i HAVE asked/discussed w teachers ab islam. the questions i asked, if they had a real answer, could be answered without using the word 'faith'. (like historical, moral stuff.) i asked specifically about islam and hadiths and quran ayats. those questions went unanswered/answer was unsatisfactory. and then i began asking questions that can apply to religion overall (atleast the abrahamic ones). "just have faith" doesnt make sense here, because based on my history of questions that can help me get faith getting unanswered, where the hell am i supposed to find this faith? If they can't answer the small, concrete stuff, then how can they expect me to accept the massive, abstract stuff ?

WHAT PISSES ME OFF IS THAT OUR HOMEROOM TEACHER (coincidentally the one i asked the questions to) IS CALLING EVERY OTHER STUDENT IN THE CLASS FOR 'COUNSELING' BUT ITS MORE TO ASK ABT THEIR FAITH ?? like, counseling is usually about the student, their grades, how theyre doing etc. (counseling only happened once at the very start of the year lol) apparently, other teachers overheard our convos (in the bedroom or wherever) and is worried for the class ''is their iman strong:(('' but instead of trying to give us an answer, they just complain. to one of my friends, the teacher referenced my second question and asked "ud be okay w the robot getting tortured right ?" ???? robots dont have feelings, and i still wouldnt be okay with it. what about to someone who does? how can u just be okay with that???

the teacher is making it seem like this is such a big deal "how do u feel about the problems in class?" and none of my friends thought abt this religion thing cus this isnt a fucking issue in the slightest. i dont say shit like "ur religion is fake, leave it, lets start a rebellion" if they believe in islam and it brings them comfort and it doesnt harm anyone, fuck yeah go ahead. i only bring up islam when its fucking relevant for fucks sake, im not a villian mastermind tryna convert people to atheism? im just asking valid fucking questions and theyre so insecure about it. counseling is supposed to be about the student. im pissed that the students goals/achievements/how they feel isnt the most important thing in the discussion. (cuz one of my friends wanted to talk abt something else, but the tecaher kept pressing ab this topic) theyre making being islamic and making sure the student is muslim the most important thing and, because this is in a school setting, it pisses me off even more.