u/Catman192

Why is feminism desirable?

Hello. I'm not sure if this is the right sub to post this question on, but hopefully it is.

For context, politically I'm a right-leaning man. But I actually do not entirely disagree with feminism, and think feminists do raise some good points. I've been trying my best to really understand feminism on its own terms, and really try to see where feminists are coming from. I do believe in the saying "he who does not understand his opponent's argument, does not understand his own." I don't want a "right-wing" perspective, or someone from the "Manosphere" to tell me about feminism. So that's why I'm here.

Something I've been thinking about for quite a while now, is about the purpose of feminism. Now, I know that feminists claim the goal/objective of feminism is equality. I'm fully aware of that. But to put it kind of bluntly, why is that desirable?

Feminists argue we currently live in a patriarchy. And they say that they want to abolish it. But why exactly? I know a lot of you might be upset at me, but hear me out. Why do you want to dismantle the patriarchy?

Is it because it's morally wrong to have inequality, and we as a society should strive for good morals?

Is it because the patriarchy causes a lot of harm, and thus abolishing it would lead to less suffering overall?

And on that second one in particular, assuming for a moment that that is our motivation for feminism...what if (purely hypothetically speaking), it was proven that the patriarchy being abolished would lead to more suffering overall? Like if feminism were to hypothetically "win", the world would get worse. There would be more suffering, hunger, whatever, just bad stuff. If that was hypothetically true (I'm not saying it is even for a moment), would feminism no longer be desirable?

Basically, what is the foundation of feminism? What moral ground is it built upon? Why do you want feminism in the first place?

I look forward to hearing your responses. Cheers.

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u/Catman192 — 8 hours ago