u/Apprehensive-Cap2453

Valid criticism aside, I feel like this fandom has become super nitpicky and unfair towards Born Again
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Valid criticism aside, I feel like this fandom has become super nitpicky and unfair towards Born Again

Seriously? Screenshotting random frames and acting like this is what the show always looks like? It's just embarrassing.

u/Apprehensive-Cap2453 — 4 days ago

I keep seeing the same complaints over and over again about how Fisk shouldn't be allowed to chill on a beach after everything he's done. Imo, that's an incredibly surface-level way of looking at what happened here.

Fisk said in a previous episode that he hates the feeling of sand between his toes. He doesn't like the island. It only meant something to him because he was there with Vanessa. Most people think of a beach as a beautiful place that brings warmth and relaxation, but Wilson Fisk knows he doesn't belong there. He's not in paradise, he's in hell.

By showing mercy and forcing him to leave NYC, Matt has doomed Fisk to a fate worse than prison OR death. He's got nothing. He's lost his wife, his power, his respect AND his city. Meanwhile, Matt may be stuck in prison, but at least he knows Karen is free and the city is safer than it was before.

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u/Apprehensive-Cap2453 — 7 days ago

While I still like S2 overall, it just feels very...hollow. Everything is about the story and there's no time given to the smaller character moments. Instead of spending time showing us where everyone is at emotionally, the show would rather cut to a fight scene or a big plot twist (we don't get to see Matt and Kirsten's reunion because "MY NAME IS MATTHEW MURDOCK, YOUR HONOUR!!!"). Everyone just seems to teleport to wherever the plot needs them to be, and then they leave as soon as they're done delivering exposition. There's far too many characters and the pacing has suffered massively because of it. It's definitely more consistent than last season but...that's not necessarily a good thing when it's consistently frustrating to watch.

S1, on the other hand, would actually show us unimportant stuff like Matt and Heather going on a date, Matt stopping a bank robbery and Matt defending random clients. It was far from being a perfect season, but the highs just felt much higher for me. Matt and Frank discussing the death of Foggy, Matt and Fisk catching up on each other's lives, all the stuff with Hector and the build-up to Muse made me SO excited to tune in each week. It felt like each episode had something significant to make it worth watching, but I couldn't tell you if a particular scene was from 2x1, 2x2 or 2x3. It all just kinda blends together and feels like one long story as opposed to a bunch of individual pieces. S2 feels more like a movie that was chopped up into 8 pieces, imo.

I'm hoping that S3 will fix S2's problems and we can finally get back the quality we used to have during the Netflix era, but I'm not convinced we will. Not only are they seemingly keeping most of the current supporting characters around, but they're even adding on MORE (iykyk), so I'm expecting the pacing to get even worse.

I said all of this in a different subreddit earlier and was downvoted a lot for it, so I'm guessing the same thing will happen here. People can't seem to handle differing opinions nowadays, I guess. I'm not trying to be a hater though. I just WANT to love this show so bad and...I'm not. I can see signs of greatness but it's not quite there yet.

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u/Apprehensive-Cap2453 — 12 days ago