u/AnthonySkejci

There are a few legitimate ethical issues about forgiveness, e.g., moral hazard, but for the most part they are bogus and completely unrelated to how finance and debt actually function. Whatever their mechanics, interest rates and the idea of interest, is essentially arbitrary. I will let everyone pursue their own line of questioning and research about these topics (where money comes from, where this money came from, what debt is), but basically everyone here is facing an imaginary number that was created by a non-human entity that only exists because of other prior political and economic choices, namely that education is not provided by the government for free. It is important to keep that into perspective. The only valid argument I have encountered about not forgiving student loan debt is the issue of past debtors who did successfully pay through whatever means, but ultimately those were also individuals who didn't recognize the scheme for what it was. Regardless, they are in some sense being defrauded.

Now I know many of the other concerns people have about their financial security, but any analyst will tell you that the current situation is unsustainable. If there are no jobs and low wages, money will not move from the owners of capital to potential workers, workers will have no money, servicing interest on debt that is compounding and increasing will not be prioritized over essential goods, it is not possible to collect money that doesn't exist, a debt becomes unenforceable, and so on. Individually this is disastrous and horrible, but collectively it becomes a problem for the whole system, which massively deflates. (This is a dummy oversimplification too, because a lot of the money used to pay these off probably hasn't come from work, or the selling of goods, or things that we assume put money in the hands of individuals. Another part of the problem I won't go into.) Even if everyone did prioritize it, that would still create huge economic problems, as no money would go towards anything else. You see the dilemma. Other than a home loan, student loans are pretty much the next largest category of debt, unsecured by any asset.

I do not see any alternative to advocating full-time for debt forgiveness until it goes away, and I do not see any reason for someone other than mental clarity to do anything but pay as little as possible towards these loans until death or the inevitable--which is that most of these debts need to be wiped out or significantly reduced, way more than what the Biden administration promised and failed to deliver.

There are a few organizations I am aware of, but I am skeptical of how they function, and I think their hands are somewhat tied in their reliance on the legal system and the avenues they are forced to navigate, though they are grounded in the same understanding I've outlined. Is there anything else out there? Are some of the people here who've already paid over and above their initial balances already at that tipping point?

Personally I am also not in a great position when these rule changes come into effect, but I also don't think the government really knows what's coming to it. Or maybe it does, but the winners are facing diminishing returns. What are folks like me doing to speed up this process?

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u/AnthonySkejci — 13 days ago

Sometimes I'll be outside, with my Airpods in, engaging in my hobbies, and these cats will demand I start petting them. I already acknowledged you when you decided to climb over the fence. Expecting anything more than that is entitled; rubbing yourself against my legs is lowkey violent.

That's the attitude I get from these cats. They need to rethink their definition of "friendly". Like furreal. This one gave me serious songbird killer vibes, and it took me a while to recover.

u/AnthonySkejci — 15 days ago

I am from Washington. People here specifically are very unfriendly. I have been in many parts of the US. Nobody spurns unwanted contact like here.

I don't mean that they won't smile while holding a dog leash on a hiking trail. They won't sustain much conversation or anything beyond that.

Just like Americans abroad, I think many people here don't want to disrupt their own journey that they believe they are the hero of? I know people talk about the "Seattle freeze," but it's more than that. I don't doubt that many are socially awkward here, and even identify as "neurodivergent", but I think in other quieter, low population areas, people yearn for disruption.

It disappoints me. Really ironic that it prides itself on being a progressive place, but people here...don't even seem to like people? Do they want to empower abstractions?

I guess sunsets are more interesting...

Edit: I am not the only person who feels this way, and I didn't frame this as "help me find friends". I consider myself capable of knowing where to find what I need, and still I cannot help but struggle to see people here differently from unfriendly. You all will also downvote anything. Sorry for being a hater, but if this community is a representative sample, then I guess I'm not stroking enough egos to make people here think they're the most virtuous, reasonable, and conscientious in the world.

Edit 2: "That's anecdotal" -- ah yeah, let me turn to chapter 5 of "The Sociology of Bellingham" titled "Friendliness" as if any of these are scientific categories and don't happen on the level of individual experience and are inherently subjective.

Adding one more thing as this winds down since I've burned so much karma I'm no longer "local". A lot of what has been shared: I get it. I'm from around here, most people I know have been in and out and around most places people live in this state. I don't necessarily consider myself or my own family or those I grew up around as paragons of friendliness, and I see in them the same tendencies I've called attention to. I am acutely aware of my current positioning and how that might inform or shape any interactions I have. I even dial back and/or override other impulses that I might shamelessly give into in other circumstances for this very reason.

As I go about daily life, I find differences here in how the environment and its inhabitants respond to my generally stable characteristics vs elsewhere. So do many. If you like it here and you remained here and formed relationships on that basis, you would not see this, and maybe have dug into the culture that naturally forms. Have a good day.

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u/AnthonySkejci — 17 days ago