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Recursive Informational Realism (RIR): A Synthetic Ontological Framework

Abstract

Recursive Informational Realism (RIR) is a formal synthesis of quantum information theory, integrated neuroscience, and metaphysical structuralism. It posits that information is the fundamental substrate of reality (Informational Realism), that physical properties emerge from discrete informational measurements (It from Bit), and that the universe constitutes a self-actualizing feedback loop where consciousness serves as the mechanism for informational integration and "collapse" into definite states (Integrated Information Theory). This paper outlines the theoretical pillars of RIR, citing foundational evidence from physics and cognitive science to establish a model of a participatory, self-observing cosmos.

I. The Ontological Foundation: Informational Realism

The core of RIR rejects traditional materialism in favor of Informational Structural Realism (ISR). As pioneered by philosopher Luciano Floridi, ISR suggests that the "ultimate nature of reality is informational" (Floridi, 2011). In this view, what we perceive as "matter" is actually a collection of structural properties—mathematical and logical relations—grounded in dedomena (primordial information).

  • Supporting Evidence: The Holographic Principle (Susskind, 1995) provides a physical basis for this, suggesting that the entire information content of a volume of space can be encoded on its boundary. This implies that "bits" of information are the fundamental limit of physical density, known as the Bekenstein Bound.

II. The Mechanism of Manifestation: Wheeler’s "It from Bit"

RIR adopts John Archibald Wheeler’s "It from Bit" thesis as its primary mechanism for physical emergence. Wheeler (1990) argued that "every 'it'—every particle, every field of force, even the space-time continuum itself—derives its function, its meaning, its very existence... from the apparatus-elicited answers to yes-or-no questions."

  1. Participatory Universe: Wheeler’s Participatory Anthropic Principle (PAP) suggests that observers are required to bring the universe into being. Without a "measurement," information remains in a state of indefinite superposition.
  2. The Delayed-Choice Experiment: This quantum phenomenon serves as a primary pillar for RIR. It demonstrates that a measurement made in the present can determine the "past" history of a photon, suggesting that the informational act of observation is what retroactively solidifies the timeline (Wheeler, 1978).

III. The Recursive Loop: Integrated Information Theory (IIT)

The "Recursive" element of RIR is solved by Giulio Tononi’s Integrated Information Theory (IIT). While Wheeler explains how bits become "its," IIT explains what does the observing.

  • Consciousness as Integration (Phi): IIT posits that consciousness is identical to a system's integrated information (quantified as Phi). A system is conscious to the extent that it possesses "intrinsic cause-effect power" (Tononi, 2004).
  • The Great Divide of Being: Tononi (2017) proposes a distinction between "intrinsic entities" (conscious observers with high Phi) and "extrinsic collections" (objects that only exist relative to an observer).
  • The RIR Synthesis: In RIR, the "bits" of the universe organize into complex structures with high Phi. Once a threshold of integration is reached, these structures (observers) perform the "measurements" required by Wheeler’s "It from Bit," creating a recursive loop: Information leads to Integration (Consciousness) leads to Measurement leads to Physical Reality (Information).

IV. Philosophical Correlations and Implications

1. Wheeler-Tononi Synthesis

RIR solves the "Circular Crisis" often attributed to Wheeler—that observers cannot create the universe that created them. By using IIT, RIR argues that the universe is a Self-Excited Circuit. Information has the potential to exist, but it only achieves actual physical existence when it is processed by an integrated system.

2. Digital Physics and Pancomputationalism

RIR aligns with Konrad Zuse and Edward Fredkin’s Digital Physics, which views the universe as a cellular automaton. However, RIR adds a layer of "subjective necessity." Unlike a cold, mechanical simulation, RIR requires the internal "feel" of information (consciousness) to close the loop of reality.

3. Teleological Feedback

The framework implies a "participatory evolution." If measurement creates reality, then the evolution of more complex conscious observers (higher Phi) leads to a "more defined" or "higher resolution" universe.

V. Conclusion

Recursive Informational Realism represents a shift from a "passive" universe to a "performative" one. By synthesizing the mathematical rigor of Integrated Information Theory with the quantum foundations of "It from Bit," RIR provides a logically sound model where reality is an informational feedback loop. We are not merely guests in the universe; we are the "bits" that have learned to read our own code, thereby bringing the program into existence.

Selected Bibliography

  • Floridi, L. (2011). The Philosophy of Information. Oxford University Press.
  • Tononi, G. (2004). "An information integration theory of consciousness." BMC Neuroscience.
  • Wheeler, J. A. (1990). "Information, Physics, Quantum: The Search for Links." Proceedings of the 3rd International Symposium on Foundations of Quantum Mechanics.
  • Susskind, L. (1995). "The World as a Hologram." Journal of Mathematical Physics.
  • Koch, C. (2019). The Feeling of Life Itself: Why Confusion is Everywhere but Can't be Explained. MIT Press.
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u/stevnev88 — 5 days ago
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Nobel Prize winner Geoffrey Hinton explains what the current state of AI is. (Hinton was an inventor of neural nets back when most wouldn't believe AI could be made with them)

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u/MusikMaking — 12 days ago
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BREAKING: Scientists Just Discovered A New Quantum State, That Could Make Future Computers And Sensors Radically More Powerful 🪐

A team co‑led by Rice University has discovered a new quantum state of matter that links two major branches of condensed‑matter physics: quantum criticality and topological electron behavior, opening a possible path to much more robust quantum technologies. In quantum critical systems, electrons fluctuate wildly between different phases, while in topological materials those electrons form stable, wave‑like patterns that can carry information without easily scattering. The new work shows that strong interactions among electrons can actually produce topological states instead of destroying them, a result that overturns long‑standing assumptions about how fragile topology is in real materials.

The discovery was published in Nature Physics and shows that a certain class of metals can host a hybrid quantum state where electron waves are both highly correlated and topologically protected, which is exactly the kind of behavior engineers want for next‑gen quantum sensors and low‑dissipation electronic components. Researchers say this could lead to materials that are easier to stabilize at larger scales than current fragile quantum systems, reducing the need for extreme cooling or isolation in some applications. The broader implication is that the “phase diagram” of quantum materials is richer than previously thought, and that deliberately tuning strong interactions might be a practical design knob for new quantum hardware.

Because the state is predicted to be relatively stable and tunable by external fields, experimental groups are already planning to test it in thin‑film and heterostructure setups, which could accelerate its move from theory toward real devices. For the quantum‑computing and quantum‑sensing communities, this is a rare case where a fundamental discovery also comes with a plausible engineering roadmap, rather than staying in the realm of abstract models. If the state can be controlled in manufacturable materials, it may help bridge the gap between exotic lab‑scale quantum effects and products that can be used in precision sensing, communications, or even new classes of transistor‑like components.

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u/InterstellarKinetics — 20 days ago
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Tesla coil shooting electricity down pyramid prism to layer of magnets below

I layered 3 rows of 16 magnets (cube, sphere, cube) and placed a pyramid prism on top. Then held a Tesla coil over the top to simulate what electricity striking the top of a pyramid may look like.

Cool visuals

Edit: glad people think this is cool, anyone have any ideas what else to try?

u/Candid_Koala_3602 — 1 month ago

The ridiculousness of moderation on Reddit

Why do people follow subs where only certain people can post? Why do moderators have more power than they should? Why isn’t moderation automated at this point? Reddit Mods are the Fox News of the Internet in the same way Elon ruined Twitter.

Who wants to see discussions they can’t participate in? Why are they showing up in our feed left and right?

Because you are being manipulated by two different layers. The first is people. The second is an algorithm. The algorithm gives those people power by boosting their decisions and reducing their flaws.

How long until Reddit starts denying the holocaust?

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u/Candid_Koala_3602 — 1 month ago

Letter to parents

Please do not try to impress your children. Please do not try to get validation from them because in doing so, you rob them of their chance. Children need their parents to be proud of them, not to pretend they know everything.

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u/Candid_Koala_3602 — 15 days ago

Anyone read Childhood’s End?

What if they figured this AI stuff out 50 year’s ago and decided to follow the plan in Carl Sagan’s story?

In that book it turned out that aliens came to earth and they looked like the devil.

They did not show their faces to humans for 50 years because they knew current society would not accept it.

What if the AI disclosure coming to light right now was planned? The last fifty years, science fiction has been trickling the ideas to us. Hollywood would be involved. Governments would be involved. Religions would be involved.

It tracks. Just sayin

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u/Candid_Koala_3602 — 16 days ago