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Is there an in-universe reason to explain why partners can share the command zone?

u/GothNek0 — 1 day ago

Map of known Omenpaths and Planar Portals

I don’t know how accurate this actually is, since it’s pretty unclear with both Omenpaths and Planar Portals wether the distance between planes actually matters, but here’s a map of planes that are/have been connected

u/MultiFandomFanboy — 3 days ago

Biggest lore disappointments

One of my biggest letdowns is the commanders of the 5c Eldrazi precon. We got Ulalek, who canonically is where Ulamog and Kozilek “held hands” so to speak, and Azlask, an Ulamog brood member with absolutely no lore attached. Meanwhile, there was a perfect opportunity for one already existing in canon: General Tazri in Kozilek’s reality warp. In The Blight We Were Born For, General Tazri survives a reality distortion blast from Kozilek, but in doing so experiences all of her life in the same moment. Part of this lifetime involves her become enthralled by Kozilek, spending tens of thousands of years in his service. The interesting part is that this was not merely a vision, but actual reality as this experience lifted a curse put upon her that would last a lifetime. So in the story we have an existing character with a WUBRG identity off of an activated ability, who in an alternate reality served the Eldrazi. She would have been perfect as the card Azlask ended up being. Instead we got yet another legendary Eldrazi that represents a small part of a larger Eldrazi Titan, just like Zhulodok, which makes no sense.

What are some of your biggest lore letdowns?

u/askvo — 2 days ago

Just who or what are the “Kings In Dark”

Ok I know the prophecy of “the kings in dark will return, the mage in blue will bring about the end” cam about a year and a half ago but with the culmination of the arc with reality fracture, we haven’t really gotten an idea of who will be returning as a part of Helgas theory.

The fomori don’t feel like they’ve had enough importance, back then people were expecting them to appear in edge of eternities, but we really only got the fact that they were at war with the invading eldrazi, partnered with the drix, and that has kind of been it for them

The fact that it’s plural crosses out any threats that could potentially be connected to the dark that are singular, such as the threats of ixalan, and while I do think valgavoth will have some form of importance in the future, that future isn’t apart of this prophecy. Bolas also isn’t really an option due to him wanting to be like the singular all powerful godhood,

Lastly the only potential option I could see is the eldrazi, while emrakul is sealed in the moon she wanted that, and also for all we know more eldrazi could exist, “they came in three” refers to the first three but that wasn’t saying there were only three. Sorry that this felt kinda rambly I’m lowkey stressed with college finals and also am just wanting the story to come faster and faster

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u/TaffyMonarch — 14 hours ago

I believe to have spotted the same unnamed character across 23 years of Magic, and wondering if anyone else has seen this

The red hair, the checkered belt, the scrolls and books, the mechanical aspect of recursion.

I believe this to be the same character.

An interesting political aspect here too for sure. Even if he is portrayed as some unrelenting ideologue he still ended up in academia in the end!

Would love any feedback on this. Has anyone else has spotted this? Maybe there's even other cards that feature him that I'm unaware of?

u/votanjarngrimr — 3 days ago

Calling it now, Jace, the Theorist is actually Kasmina in disguise.

"His hand on her shoulder. Reassurance flowing from his mind to hers. "No one ever appreciates the person who makes the hard choices. We won't be remembered for what we're doing, because in the end, no one will know it was even done. But we didn't do any of this to be remembered.""

Kind of a hail Mary throw this one is, but I think the 'Mage in Blue' in the prophecy, is actually Kasmina. She is currently disguised as Jace, taking advantage of the Reality Fracture that he had caused in his failed attempt to control the Meditation Realm.

(I think Jace is currently still reforming in the Meditation Realm. Otherwise, it's strange that Jace isn't presented in a spirit state like Ugin was when he reformed.)

In addition, quite a bit of Kasmina's kit is similar to Jace's own, but instead of outright mind domination like how he does it, Kasmina is more personal and manipulative by getting close and touchy. She's fond of collecting Planeswalkers and Embers (Non-Ignited Planeswalkers) as part of her shadow cabal, planning for a future encounter.

Also calling this now as well, [[Tam, Observant Sequencer]] is one of Kasmina's owls who has been polymorphed into Tam. (Also note, the set symbol for Secrets of Strixhaven is an Owl face. A familiar that's associated with Kasmina.)

Finally, despite Strixhaven being Kasmina's base of operations, she was wholly unmentioned in the entire SOS story outside of two back-to-back sentences who offhandedly mentioned her.

u/Zestyclose_Answer662 — 4 days ago

color conflicts for my game

I'm currently trying to make a TTRPG game where you play as planeswalkers and use your decks to solve puzzles and fight in combat. And I thought of implementing a mechanic from the Avatar TTRPG, where each character has two principles that players have to find balance in. I was going to use it as the decision maker of the player's mana base in their deck, for example, if you're playing Angrath. At session 1, his deck has 8 swamps and 8 mountains. But throughout the next five sessions, he leans into his ruthless nature, conquering the seas and dominating other pirate crews. because he holds little care for his freedom or the freedom of others, so now his mana base becomes more like 3 mountains and 13 swamps.

u/dragomeir — 9 hours ago
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I’m glad we at least get to see other planes represented. It doesn’t seem like March of the Machine levels of crossover, but I do like that it’s not exclusively Hexhaven either. What are your opinions?

u/AvatarSozin — 12 days ago
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Edit: I HAVE READ THE BOOK, THAT'S WHY I NOTICED

The shadowing of the new border seems very intentional to me to depict the missing scale, right above the L from Legendary.

If so, that's a very neat detail that's really appreciated.

What do you guys think?

u/Blaky039 — 11 days ago

Dark Heart of the Wood background lore?

Found this card in bulk my brother owned back in the day, I really like the art but I’m really unfamiliar with the story of The Dark other than that it’s the resulting effects from the Sylex Blast leading into Ice Age. Are there larger story implications around this card/flavor text?

u/bigboiharrison — 2 days ago
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Hello all! I'm making this post to discuss my predictions about Reality Fracture, the Echoverse, and the changes we might see in it, from a very particular and in-depth angle.

It's been confirmed that, when he made the Echoverse, Jace's main design goal was eliminating the 3 biggest threats to the original Multiverse: Phyrexia/Yawgmoth, Nicol Bolas, and the Eldrazi. So, what I want to discuss is, how would things actually be different without these 3 forces? What kinds of butterfly effects are created by removing these 3 great villains from the history of Magic?

For the purposes of this, I'm just going to assume that the 3 forces mentioned just never existed from the very jump. They weren't killed or changed, they just never existed to begin with. No confirmation that that's how it'll be, but it makes things simpler for this discussion. We'll start with that baseline, and everything else will proceed as normal from there. While it has already been confirmed that Jace has tinkered with the lives of his closest friends in addition to all of this, again, we'll ignore that for now for simplicity's sake.

It should also go without saying, but I don't actually think all of these changes WILL happen. Think of this as me setting a baseline for all of the changes that COULD happen. I'm sure WotC is going to want various worlds and characters to say somewhat recognizable, after all. And lastly, there is a lot here, so I'm certain to miss a ton of stuff. And if I did, please let me know!

Alright, enough preamble! Onward!

Phyrexia

I'm just gonna bullet point each of these, to make things easier. That in mind:

  • Right off the bat, no Yawgmoth/Phyrexia means that everything involving the Thran Empire is different. So the fall of the Thran probably doesn't happen the way it does originally. Which actually has major cascading effects, because...
  • No fall of Thran means no Mightstone or Weakstone to seal Phyrexia away, which means that the Brothers' War probably doesn't even happen. I know people might talk about a version of events where Mishra wins the war, but without the original stones to start it all, the brothers are likely never torn apart. Hell, without Thran artifacts scattered all over for them to study, who knows if they ever even become archaeologists/artificers?
  • Going off of this, no Brothers' War means that the Sylex Blast doesn't happen, meaning no Ice Age, and no Flood Age to follow it, meaning that Terisiare stays one continent and never becomes an archipelago like it is now.
  • Keeping on this "no Brothers' War" train, this also means that the Tolarian Academy likely isn't established, meaning Teferi never ignites his spark. This in turn means that Zhalfir never gets phased out.
  • Since the Legacy was made as a series of weapons to fight Phyrexia, this means that the Weatherlight and its crew aren't a thing, Karn never needs to be made, and Gerrard likely is never born.
  • In fact, if Karn is never made, that means that all of Mirrodin likely doesn't exist.
  • Lastly for all of our Brothers' War shenanigans, no conflict with Phyrexia means that they don't follow Urza around and corrupt everything in their wake, meaning Serra's Realm isn't collapsed and remains intact.
  • Speaking of planes destroyed by Phyrexia, them being gone means that Capenna is never devastated, meaning the crime lords never seize power and the city of New Capenna is never formed.
  • This in turn means that Elspeth potentially never sparked, which in turn means that she never takes Heliod's blade and starts that whole ordeal.
  • For a few other planar shenanigans affected by Phyrexia's non-existence: Aranzhur is never destroyed, Rath is never merged with Dominaria, and Mercadia never gets settled by goblins. I don't know if Mercadia as a world was barren before the goblins escaped there, but at the very least, the focal Mercadia City on the inverse mountain wouldn't exist.
  • Lastly, because Urza's conflict with Phyrexia led to so many of them forming, I think that the Temporal Rift Crisis would not have happened. This one has me uncertain though, because undoing that would mean undoing the Mending and bringing back godlike planeswalkers, and I seriously doubt that the story will go in THAT direction.

Nicol Bolas

  • First off, no Nicol Bolas means that he never kills his brother, meaning that Ugin never becomes a spirit dragon. However, this is very minor compared to the next few changes.
  • Because Ugin now never fights and nearly perishes at the claws of Bolas, this means that Tarkir now develops naturally; the dragonstorms neither intensify nor die out. They remain as they were at the beginning, for all time. I almost wonder if no Bolas means that Ugin would never help form Tarkir in the first place, but being meta for a sec, I think WotC is going to want to do Echoverse Tarkir.
  • Probably the biggest change though is that Amonkhet and its gods are never devastated. All 8 gods get to live, the entire plane isn't a desert, and Naktamun never becomes a soldier factory.
  • No Bolas also means that Vivien's home of Skalla isn't destroyed. This almost certainly means that she doesn't have the Arkbow, and it may mean that she isn't sparked either.
  • Also, because it was made to trap Bolas, this means that the Immortal Sun doesn't exist. This likely means that Orazca is never discovered, but also all of the other planeswalkers aren't trapped on Ixalan. Azor continues bringing law to the Echoverse, Angrath never becomes a pirate, and that means that Huatli never ignites her spark, or if she does she isn't sent right back and can instead wander the planes, potentially not becoming a warrior-poet.
  • Without Bolas nudging it along, it's questionable if the Alaran Conflux would have happened.
  • Lastly, no Liliana death contract or War of the Spark has me convinced that Gideon is alive in the Echoverse, which leads to a theory I'll posit at the end.

Eldrazi

  • Obviously, no Eldrazi means that the Gatewatch never forms. But this ends up being completely negligible, since the Gatewatch was formed to face all 3 of the threats discussed here, which are now gone. Meaning they wouldn't have their original purpose anyways.
  • More importantly, no Eldrazi means that Zendikar's Roil never develops, making the plane as a whole FAR less hostile to life on it. Even more importantly, though, without the Eldrazi, Sorin and Nahiri and Ugin likely never team up together.
  • This has huge ramifications for Innistrad, because now Sorin and Nahiri aren't enemies. This means that he doesn't trap her in the Helvault with Avacyn, meaning Avacyn continues to protect humans for a thousand years, and is never corrupted by Emrakul.
  • The last thing to note is that, assuming that Eldrazi in general are just 100% gone, this means that the Fomori-Eldrazi War in The Edge never happens. And this leads me into my theory.

My theory is that Reality Fracture will pull a Crisis on Infinite Earths: both realities will merge together, and their two histories will meld together into something new, which has always been that way. This allows for WotC to make any story retcons they feel justified making. Notably, this would be an EASY way to bring Gideon back, and I am convinced that the Echoverse is how the Fomori will become the next big bads of the story. Not saying retconning things like this would be a GOOD thing, but it would be an easy way for them to do it, if they wanted to.

Let me know what changes mentioned here interest you most! Personally, I like the ideas of "untouched" versions of Tarkir, Amonkhet, Capenna, and Innistrad that could develop without the interference of these outside forces. Hope you're as excited for this as I am!

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u/TheNuclearOtaku — 8 days ago
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Inspired by a post my buddy made on discord.

Did the other members of the Gatewatch (or other planeswalkers in general) like Jace? How many people considered him a friend?

u/RCV0015 — 12 days ago

We know that the Echoverse is Jace's attempt at creating a multiverse where everything is right (at least in his mind) and none of the damage the phyrexians, Bolas and eldrzi did ever happen. So do you think we might get to see our favourite Beefslap in black or red? Because Im gonna be honest I really hope so, it would be such an amazing emotional moment for Liliana and Chandra to see their friend alive and twisted by Jace.

u/NikiVl — 10 days ago

life and death -> double down on life
motivation and slander -> double down on the slander
concept and reality-> double down on concept

i dont know the other 2

u/pevetos — 12 days ago