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Which language has the most frustrating grammar or syntax you’ve ever encountered?

Language learning usually starts fun until you hit that one specific wall where the logic just stops making sense.

For some, it is the nightmare of grammatical gender where a table is "he" and a chair is "she" for no apparent reason.

For others, it is cases that change every word in a sentence based on its position.

Syntax can be just as brutal. Moving a verb to the very end of a long sentence feels like a memory test rather than a conversation. It is less like speaking and more like solving a puzzle in real-time.

Even the most dedicated students have moments where they wonder if the grammar was designed specifically to keep outsiders out.

What is the specific part of a language that usually trips you up the most?

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u/Ken_Bruno1 — 2 days ago

What is the 'Final Boss' of languages that you refuse to even attempt?

For me, Mandarin

Got humbled pretty hard. Never touching it again lol

What about you.

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u/Ken_Bruno1 — 2 days ago

Is 'ending a sentence with a preposition' actually a 'rule' anymore, or is it a leftover Latin habit that we should finally ignore?

I’ve spent way too much time worrying about whether I’m allowed to end a sentence with a preposition or if the grammar police are going to hunt me down.

Most of the people I talk to still think it’s a hard rule but it really feels like a leftover obsession from 18th-century scholars who were desperate to make English function like Latin.

Since Latin literally cannot end a sentence with a preposition because of how the language is structured it seems like we just inherited a "rule" that never actually fit our own Germanic roots.

I’m honestly ready to just ignore it entirely because forcing a "to whom" or "with which" into a casual conversation makes me sound like a Victorian ghost.

Anyone actually still following this or can we all agree that natural phrasing is better than sticking to an arbitrary Latin standard?

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u/Ken_Bruno1 — 1 day ago

Is there a specific language that you would NOT want to learn at all under any circumstances? and why?

Even if it meant giving up a job opportunity, a relationship or something else, is there a language that's an absolute redline for you? and if so why? is it emotional or cultural or simply you don't want to deal with it?

I know this is a little weird but I'm expecting weird answers too!

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u/AutumnaticFly — 4 days ago

What’s a language people claim is easy mostly because they never got past beginner level?

Some languages feel very approachable at first because the basics are simple, pronunciation seems manageable, or grammar looks less intimidating. Then people reach intermediate level and suddenly hit a wall they did not expect.

I am not really talking about the usual “all languages are hard” answers. A more interesting example for me is Korean, where beginners often feel comfortable early on because of Hangul, but later run into speech levels, nuance, and listening difficulty that are much harder than expected.

What language do you think gets called “easy” mostly because many learners never got far enough to see the difficult parts?

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u/Embarrassed_Fix_8994 — 5 hours ago

What’s a word in your language that sounds funny or inappropriate to foreigners?

Every language seems to have a completely normal word that makes foreigners laugh the first time they hear it because it sounds funny, awkward, or inappropriate in another language.

For example, the English word “gift” sounds harmless to English speakers, but in German Gift actually means “poison,” which surprises a lot of learners the first time they see it.

What’s a word like that in your language? Something completely normal to natives but funny or questionable to foreigners.

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u/Embarrassed_Fix_8994 — 5 days ago

Do we love or hate the grammar police?!

Does it help when people correct your speaking/typing?
Or does it put you off and makes you wanna punch them?

Personally i think it depends on the context, if it's a language that i am trying to learn and i'm not angry atm, then yeah i welcome correction

Buuuuut if i'm in the middle of an argument and i make an obvious error in a language that i consider myself proficient in, and someone corrects me just to invalidate my argument and insult me then...down with the grammar police
But that's just me! how about you? maybe you are a secret grammar police yourself!!!

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u/AutumnaticFly — 2 days ago

Let's get real: Do you like your native language?

Obviously from an emotional standpoint, we all are to some degree attached to our mother's tongue, no doubt about it

But from a logical standpoint, now that you've seen what's out there, do you think your own language suits you? do you like it? or somewhere deep down you wish you had grown up learning a different language?
Share your thoughts, no wrong answers!

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u/AutumnaticFly — 5 days ago

What's the weirdest exception rule that you've encountered?

Whether in your own language or your target language, something that makes no sense, but as a native you just accept it and move on, even if you find it weird!
And as a learner you have no choice but to learn it, but for the life of you, can't figure out why is this the way it is and how it even came to be, you know? that kind of weird

For example in Persian there is exception with "KH" and "A" that you have to put a silent "V" between them in SOME words, that have nothing in common, we learn it but we never understood where it came from and why!
What's the weird exception that you know of?

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u/AutumnaticFly — 2 days ago
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My current immersion setup as a B2 learner

Hallo! I am trying to level up and finally achieve C1 (or even C2!). Here's what my current setup looks like for improving my German. Less grammar, more immersion!

Passive immersion

  • ZDF for authentic German movies and series. I like the channel ZDFNeo, with easy to follow shows for young people. You might have some restrictions depending on your country, especially for live shows.
  • DW for when I need something slightly more accessible, made for language learners

Active Video immersion

  • Jolii AI: Been using this for a more active immersion German video content. There I can watch any YouTube or Netflix video with subtitles, save words, and practice them later. There are some drills and dialog simulations which i find helpful to get some extra speaking practice.

Active reading & listening

  • Kindle & Audible (combined): It gets more expensive, but I love reading and listening at the same time. It helps me control the instrnct of looking up every work I don't know and improves my listening skills as well. With Kindle, I cna tap of words and look up the meaning directly.
  • Currently reading a crime based in my hometown in Italy "Abscheid auf Italienisch".

Monolingual Dictionary

  • PONS: I switched to monolingual dictionary "Deutsch als Fremdsprache", so I am 100% immersed and noy relying on translation. I save words there and note them down in a notebook.

Speaking and grammar

  • italki: One hour a week with a tutor, mostly conversation with light correction. Not really a structured lesson.
  • Grammatisch: When I feel like reviewing some grammar. I also have a paper book "Begegnungen" for that.

What I've noticed at my level: the more I read and watch, the more I feel that expressions become more natural. I still lack some confidence when speaking, mainly because I am always afraid to make mistakes with gender.. it is what it is I guess!

I really hope to achieve C2 one day! If you have any suggestions to improve my setup please let me know!

u/elenalanguagetutor — 2 days ago

Have you ever had a line from a book, game or any piece of media from your target language hit you hard enough that you never forgot about it?

Doesn't have to be a single line, maybe a passage or even a short story or mayhaps a piece of dialogue, or a final line that stuck with you more than anything in your own language?

What was the line? and which language? and if you want, tell me what it meant to you!

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u/AutumnaticFly — 3 days ago

Do you think it's important to study the culture of your target language?

When you are learning any language, you get some exposure to the culture regardless of whether it was intended or not, but my question is, do you pursue that thread and engage with the culture? or do you purely try to learn the language and don't care about the culture behind it at all?
Obviously if it's for travel or work then you'll learn about it anyways but if you are just learning it at home, how do you deal with the culture?

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u/AutumnaticFly — 3 days ago

How many language learning apps do you have on your phone and how many do you actually use?

I have way too many but end up only using a couple of them..

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u/Shelbee2 — 3 days ago

If you aren't learning for work, what's your 'why' when it gets boring?"

I started learning French for fun, but the plateau I’m hitting right now is no joke.

Without a career goal or a deadline hanging over my head, it is so easy to just skip a day and let the habit slide.

I love the culture, but sometimes flashcards and grammar drills feel like a second job I didn't sign up for.

I want to rediscover that spark before I burn out completely.

For those of you learning purely for the love of it, what specific goal or feeling keeps you motivated when the progress feels invisible?

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u/Ken_Bruno1 — 3 days ago

Why does English have so many exceptions to its own grammar rules?

English grammar is messy because the language is a giant mix of different cultures. I see it as a history book where every group that moved to England left their own marks.

Long ago, people spoke Germanic dialects, but then Viking and French invaders brought their own words and patterns.

The way we spell words often reflects how people spoke hundreds of years ago. Even when the sounds changed, the letters stayed the same.

I also notice that the most common words we use every day tend to keep very old, weird forms because we say them so often they never get updated.

What you think?

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u/Ken_Bruno1 — 4 days ago

When you were learning your target language or if you still are, how did you went about setting goals for yourself? and what were they?

Did you try to set realistic and achievable goals for yourself? or did you shoot for the stars to come short no matter what because that's how you stay motivated?

Do you even believe setting goals matter or you think people should just start learning and power through?

How did you motivate yourself to keep the deadlines and not slack off if you weren't under pressure?

Share your experience with us!

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u/AutumnaticFly — 3 days ago

Do you think you know your native language well enough to be able to teach it to a foreigner?

I don't mean the basic stuff that would just get them by in your country, i mean actually teach them good enough for them to be somewhat fluent and be able to actually speak your language!

Obviously we are all fluent in our own native languages, but if you think about it, most of us don't know the rules, yet it's second nature to us, kinda the same way our lungs work, we just breath we don't actually know how it happens!

So back to the question, do you think you'd be able to teach your language to someone else?

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u/AutumnaticFly — 1 day ago

If you are just learning your target language as a hobby, how do you motivate yourself to get past plateaus?

Not trying to diminish the value of language learning as a hobby here, but that's just the thing, hobbies are enjoyable, so how do you get past the parts that are not enjoyable? you know what I'm talking about?
Obviously aside from when you HAVE TO learn a language for a job or school, what's your tip for when you are just learning for fun and you hit a point where it's just not fun?

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u/AutumnaticFly — 4 days ago

Did you find your school's secondary language classes and teachings useful?

I understand that not all schools across the world have mandatory second language classes, but i assume many do, personally we had secondary and tertiary mandatory classes and tbh, i don't think i learnt anything useful from them .

but our educational system wasn't anything to brag about in general, so i'm curious about other people's experiences across the world.

Do you think those classes were time well spent or maybe the wrong way of teaching made you hate a language that otherwise you might've enjoyed learning it?

Share your experiences!

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u/AutumnaticFly — 4 days ago