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My theory on Garth’s dad

I’ve seen lots of fans speculate that he was poisoned at Jezebels or something alike.

I actually think this could be plausible but not necessarily because he was 100% a bad commander. He could’ve been in the wrong place and time. After all, commanders must do commander things, and if he sympathised with some sort of resistance wouldn’t it make sense that he’d have to avoid all suspicion by hanging out with other commanders in dodgy places prone to MayDay attacks like Jezebels?

I’m not outright speculating that he was a MayDay operative. But perhaps he didn’t buy the whole religious fanatic woohoo, think Commander Lawrence type. Hence why his son might’ve learnt academic works on Freud and alike. Perhaps it was okay to read and learn at home, also Garth is a boy/young man, so it’s not absolutely insane that he’ll read, and perhaps taboo works too.

As for Garth having been a kidnapped child… I mean, there are econofamilies with children. Couldn’t this just be his biological family and their survival strategy is to collaborate to survive and secure a prestigious position within the system?

Thoughts?

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u/sasitabonita — 14 hours ago

The Testaments S1 E08 "Broken" Episode Discussion

The Testaments S1 E08 "Broken"

As Agnes is swept up in wedding plans, Daisy hides a life-altering secret and Hulda faces backlash after speaking out.

Airdate: May 13th, 2026

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u/Melairia — 1 day ago

I'm confused, if Garth was born (or not) and raised Gilead, how is he part of Mayday?

Pray, excuse my ignorance, I only seen clips on tiktok.

But it all make sense now how he doesn't know who June is or what tampons are.

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u/harmony-rose — 17 hours ago

If Agnes ends up marrying Weston…

Just assume the show departs entirely from the book.

I think the fact that Weston had family violence convictions before Gilead tells us that whoever ends up marrying this man must learn to survive and strategise, not necessarily outright rebel.

I’ve seen a lot of foreshadowing with Agnes learning to operate by what’s allowed in Gilead; redirecting anger, enjoy power trips that give some illusion of control when she can, etc…

Hence, if Agnes does end up marrying Weston and not becoming an aunt like in the book, I so 100% think the show could give us some interesting character development here that’s not so morally black and white. Either Weston becomes an outright POS with her and the rage she redirects onto dolls now starts being redirected onto real people, or Weston influences her to take whatever power she can take and be a POS to survive the reality of Gilead.

I’m not saying this is her end. I’m just saying it would give us an interesting twist while her character grows and develops before she eventually rebels. Because honestly, if she becomes MayDay Heiress automatically and suddenly rebels from the get go, that’d be boring and wouldn’t entirely make sense for a girl who grew up with Gilead indoctrination.

Can’t wait to see where the series lands with this character though. I might be entirely wrong, but low key I hope in a way or another the show gives us a morally complicated Agnes and not a 100% good heroine who makes no mistakes.

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u/sasitabonita — 17 hours ago
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Je n’arrive pas à croire que j’écris ça sachant qu’à la base, j’ai commencé à regarder la série The Handmaid’s Tale (sans grande conviction) pour me mettre à jour et comprendre le lore de The Testaments.

Eh bien, je suis déçue par TT, je trouve ça lent, long, ennuyeux… je ne suis pas convaincue par les acteurs, actrices, l’intrigue pour l’instant c’est pas trop ça.

Je sais qu’il faut que je fasse mon deuil de THT qui est selon moi une masterpiece mais je n’arrive pas à passer à autre chose. Et le plus dur, je crois, c’est de voir que la saga ne suit absolument pas le bouquin. Daisy n’est pas Nichole, ce qui je trouve n’apporte rien d’intéressant.

Je ne suis pas une grand lectrice mais rien que pour apprécier l’oeuvre, j’ai envie de lire les deux livres pour rester sur le propos original.

Je suis la seule à penser ça ou d’autres ressentent la même chose que moi ?

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u/Bright_Gain837 — 7 days ago

TV show Daisy

They are pushing this idea of TV show Daisy being a high profile loss to Gilead and that they've never stopped looking for her. Its bothering me that we've never heard of another lost child before on the same level as baby Nicole. She's wanted enough by them that they're willing to kill Daisy's parents for concealing her? Surely there have been plenty of children smuggled out that havent received so much fuss.

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u/lilmommalynzi — 7 days ago

Commander's sons

Would anyone like so see things from the perspective of the boys and young men raised by commanders and wives? I'd love to know if they accept their place without question, what they actually think of females and how they view Gilead. We have a lot of focus on females in Gilead society, it would add dimension to show the contrast in lifestyles and expectations.

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u/lilmommalynzi — 2 days ago

How many seasons for The Testaments ?

Je crois que les showrunners ont prévu au moins 3 saisons mais vous pensez qu’il y aura combien d’années à attendre entre chaque sortie ?

Je ne me rappelle plus si les saisons de THT sortaient chaque année…

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u/Bright_Gain837 — 3 days ago

Does anyone else think that it's a coincidence that Aunt Lydia got stationed in the same place where Hannah's family moved?

Hannah's "family" moved because June wouldn't give up. Then, once Boston was taken back by mayday, Aunt Lydia (who shouldve been on the wall) moved else where. What are the chances it wouldvve been the same place Hannah was at?

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u/harmony-rose — 20 hours ago
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Le commandant Waterford savait…

Il savait que Nicole était la fille de Nick ? Serena lui a balancé dans la tronche que ce n’était pas son enfant et qu’il était trop faible pour en avoir 😅 mais j’ai un doute sur le fait qu’il sache que Nick est le père.

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u/Bright_Gain837 — 1 day ago

My unhinged theory

I think the plot twist is that Agnes is gonna be Serena Joy Waterford on steroids.

So hear me out; assuming the show entirely departs from the book… I think there have been a few times the show has shown us that Agnes enjoys power trips- I mean can we blame her though?

First, she redirects suppressed anger onto the dolls, for example locking the wife doll on the attic or smashing it etc. Second, when she saw Daisy look at Garth she called her a slut, and when she had to punish Daisy she was reluctant but fully embraced it when she had to. Third, she loved it when that creepy guard from the beginning was dealt with. Fourth, how she manipulated Hulda to go and tell and even admitted in her own narrative: yes I’m evil for doing that so what? Fifth: How she could finally reconcile her match because she gets to power trip on Paula. Sixth: How she’s slowly realising Becka’s dad won’t just get away with it because she’s indeed about to have more power and status than him…

This is like the full circle moment; she becomes so indoctrinated and reconciles her lack of power with whatever little power she can have, she becomes the class of woman who oppressed June Osborne.

Any thoughts?

EDIT: I don’t mean Agnes is secretly pure evil or that she’ll permanently become Serena Joy on Steroids. My point is that Gilead is all she has ever known, and the show keeps hinting that she’s discovering how emotionally rewarding power and status can feel after a lifetime of fear and powerlessness. That doesn’t make her irredeemable, it makes her psychologically believable and real. Not every traumatised person becomes a revolutionary immediately. I actually think it would be more interesting if she temporarily leans further into the system before eventually questioning it, because oppressed people can absolutely become complicit in the systems that hurt them when those systems finally offer them safety, control, or status.

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u/sasitabonita — 1 day ago

Hannah's bag of treasures.

Anyone else dying to see the red lace that June tied to Hannah's wrist when she broke into the Mackenzie's house, inside Hannah/Agnes' bag.

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u/lilmommalynzi — 7 days ago

The Testaments S1 E07 "Commitment"

As Daisy's secret past threatens to surface, Agnes grapples with an unwanted match and a forbidden crush. Becka meets with potential matches and finds unexpected kindness in one of them.

Airdate: May 6th, 2026

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u/Melairia — 8 days ago

Daisy’s Parents

If we want to connect Daisy’s birth parents to someone we know in The Handmaid’s Tale, the only honest way this would work is to make the baby Lawrence’s.
It couldn’t be his wife Elinor’s baby - as she explicitly stated that she and Lawrence never had kids together.
So I suppose Lawrence could’ve gotten his first handmaid pregnant and then had some part in getting the baby out of Gilead - and the handmaid died in the process.
Remember in The Handmaid’s Tale, some of the Commanders recounted how they ensured couples were completing the ceremony when Gilead was brand new? So, if a baby were conceived then, that would make TV show Daisy about the right age.
Lawrence was always so squirrelly and Elinor was so broken - having conceived a child through rape would fit right in with the characters’ arcs.
It might also explain further why Lawrence was willing to help babies and mothers. And, when he helped Emily smuggle out Nichole, he was making jokes and was rather calm in a way that suggested he had done this before.
And I can also see why such a child would not have come up in earlier conversations. Why would Lawrence trust anyone with that knowledge? Why would a fellow Commander want to remind him of his “loss?” By the time we meet Lawrence, the baby would’ve disappeared at least four years earlier.
June may have found out about Daisy’s story after Lawrence’s death and then took a special interest in her. She could have easily gotten all the details about Daisy’s arrival in Gilead from Melanie and Neil. There’s a four year gap between shows, so June would’ve had plenty of time to bond with the couple and get all that info. Unlike Nick, Lawrence did redeem himself in the end, even though his courage would be lost to history. Watching out for Daisy might be a way to honor Lawrence.

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u/suzsolon — 3 days ago

I'm bothered by the prospects for Agnes. Is there a good man among the three? If not, are the producers really going to do a Sansa Stark/Ramsey Bolton style matchup in season one? Or will there be some plot twist to save her?

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u/angelakay1966 — 7 days ago