r/charlesmansonfamily

This has been talked about until we're blue in the face, but look again! Manson said he was 5'7" but the ruler at the top of his head says otherwise. We've taken that as definatuve proof that he was lying. Look at photo #2 towards the bottom that shows head to toe. The ruler on the wall is off. If the distance from 4' to 5' is 1', the 4' is less than 3' from the floor making the top reading incorrect.

Photo: Los Angeles International Airport
By: Witold-K (Witold Kaczanowski)

Just curious if you think Charles Manson is actually classified as a serial killer? There are rumors about the Shorty Shea murder on his ranch, but nothing official because it could be that part of his “family” was involved. Same goes with the Gary Hinman murder where Manson slashed his ear with a sword. Serial killers are classified by a certain number of murders over an extended time with periods of time in between to cool off. I’m not arguing for or against what he is actually considered, a lot of murders around Manson were done by members of his family and not by his own hand… ? Just curious what people think about this?
Thanks

Tex Watson returned to Los Angeles on March 1, 1971, for his arraignment after being deemed sane following a period of coma-like incapacity. After recovering from a previous state where he was described as "turning into a vegetable," he was deemed fit for trial and subsequently convicted of the Tate-LaBianca murders

Printed transcript of his final statement at his murder trial. Manson annotates and marks some pages with pencil. Key excerpts, in part: :..."And you can say it back at me, and you can say that its me that cannot communicate, and you can say that its me that don't have any understanding, and you can say that when I am dead your world will be better, and you can lock me up in your penitentiary and you can forget about me. But I'm only what lives inside of you and every one of you.... It is not my conspiracy. It is not my music. I hear what it relates. It says, Rise! It says, Kill!"

"Why blame it on me? I didn't write the music....I don't recall saying to anyone, 'Go get a knife and kill anyone or anything' In fact it makes me mad when someone kills snakes or cats or dogs or horses. I don't even like to eat meat because that's how much I am against killing......You can go on forever. You can just talk endless words. It don't mean anything. I don't know that it means anything. I can talk to the witnesses and ask them what they think about things, and I can bring the truth out of other people because I know what truth is. But I cannot sit here and tell you everything that I think is important in relation to anything because like basically all I want to do is explain what you are doing to your children..."

"Your Children" by Charles Manson (New York: Vanishing Rotating Triangle), 1973

In 1965, Catherine Share (Gypsy) recorded a single as Charity Shane for the Autumn Records label in San Francisco. In 1996 the recording was issued in the UK on the Ace/Big Beat compilation CD Someone to Love

Devore, Calif. - 12/6/69 - A GIFT FROM CHARLES MANSON - Gerald Harder, 15, and his father, Emmett, of Devore, hold Beach Boys' golden record "All Summer Long" they say they received through Charles Manson, alleged leader of hippie band charged with the murder of Sharon Tate and six others. Harder said Manson family worked for him at his Death Valley mine during the latter part of '68.  AP Wirephoto

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In court Sandra Good claimed prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi, in an encounter on the street last week had called her names and accused her of sexual perversion with Manson and threatened to "get her" Defense attorney Irving Kanareck asked for a contempt charge against Bugliosi but Judge William Older was unconvinced of the legal merit of the action. ~UPI September 20, 1970

The Weather Underground was an American Marxist militant organization active from 1969 until 1977. Originally known as the Weathermen the group was organized as a faction of the national leadership of Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) The group's political goal was to create a revolutionary party to overthrow the United States government. The Weatherman group had long held that militancy was becoming more important than nonviolent forms of action. The belief was that urban guerrilla actions would act as a catalyst for the coming revolution.

Charles Manson was an obsession within the group and they claimed he truly understood the iniquity of white America, with the Manson family being praised for the murder of Sharon Tate. They made their salute a four-fingered gesture that represented the "fork" used to stab Leno LaBianca.

June 18, 1969 the Weather Underground red spray-painted message on a wall inside a bank they trashed.

"DEAD PIGs ARE GOOD" (Look familiar?)

Charles Manson, 35, and five members of his hippie clan were indicted Monday for the August slaughter of actress Sharon Tate and six other persons. After two days of listening to evidence presented by Dep. Dist. Attys. Aaron H. Stovitz and Vincent T. Bugliosi, the County Grand Jury returned the indictments before Superior Judge William B. Keene late Monday afternoon. Indicted along with Manson, who refers to himself variously as “Jesus,” “God” and “Satan,” were: Susan Atkins, 21, formerly of San Jose and known to the Manson “Family” as Sadie Glutz. Her story to a jail cellmate late last month reportedly clinched police suspicions about the hippie cult. She provided the grand jury with incriminating evidence against all six suspects, including herself. Charles (Tex) Watson, 24, former high school honor student and star athlete, now in jail in McKinney, Tex., his hometown. He has said he will fight extradition.

**Woman Fighting Extradition-**Patricia Krenwinkel, 21, seized last week in Alabama where her divorced mother lives. Her father, an insurance agent, resides in Inglewood. She is fighting extradition.-Linda Kasabian, 20, seized in her hometown of Milford, N.H., last week. Five months pregnant, she returned to Los Angeles voluntarily.— Leslie Sankston, 19, arrested in October when officers raided the cult’s Death Valley commune during the roundup of an auto theft ring. She was brought to Los Angeles Nov. 25, along with four other young female clan members, as a material witness. Manson, Watson, Miss Atkins, Miss Krenwinkel and Mrs. Kasabian were indicted on seven counts of murder and one of conspiracy.

Each of the murder counts represents a separate victim — Miss Tate and the four slain along with her at the actress’ Benedict Canyon estate Aug. 9, and Leno La Bianca, 44, and his wife, Rosemary, 38, killed a day later in their Los Feliz residence. Miss Sankston also was indicted on a conspiracy charge, but only two murder counts were lodged against her. They involve the slaying of La Bianca, wealthy supermarket owner, and his wife. The 21-member jury heard 22 witnesses before adjourning Monday afternoon. Sixteen witnesses testified Monday, but the most telling evidence emerged from the story Miss Atkins reportedly repeated at Friday’s opening session.

The overt acts listed in the conspiracy count indicate jurors put high credence in the story which her attorney, Richard Caballero, had said she would tell the panel. It listed four such acts. They were:
— That Watson, Miss Atkins, Mrs. Kasabian and Miss Krenwinkel traveled from the clan’s earlier encampment at a Chatsworth movie ranch to the Tate estate the night of Aug. 8.
— That Watson, Miss Atkins and Miss Krenwinkel entered the Tate home.
— That on Aug. 10, all the suspects traveled from the ranch to the La Bianca home.
— That Manson, Watson, Miss Krenwinkel and Miss Sankston entered the La Bianca home.
Miss Atkins reportedly testified that Manson tied up the La Biancas but left before they were murdered and that Mrs. Kasabian remained outside both the Tate and La Bianca homes. Miss Atkins claims she remained outside the La Bianca home, but admits entering the Tate mansion. Asked if Miss Atkins’ testimony was the cornerstone of the prosecution’s case, Bugliosi replied: "I wouldn’t say it was the cornerstone, but I would say it constitutes quite a few bricks.”

**No Immunity -**He said, however, that no offers of immunity have been tendered any of the suspects. But it is believed that such an offer might be made to Mrs. Kasabian if she were to agree to testify for the prosecution, since she presumably is the least culpable. This is because, according to Miss. Atkins, she was in neither murder house. It also is thought Miss Atkins may have saved her own life by testifying before the grand jury. Conceivably, authorities could permit her to plead guilty to a lesser degree of murder.

Arraignment Set
Miss Atkins, Mrs. Kasabian and Miss Sankston, the three in custody here, will be arraigned Wednesday in Judge Keene’s court.
The district attorney’s office already has begun extradition proceedings against Miss Krenwinkel and Watson, both of whom are suspected of taking the most active roles in both sets of murders. Bugliosi said Manson would be brought here “as soon as possible, likely three or four days,” from Inyo County. He is being held there on the auto theft charges.
He said the district attorney’s office would “resist” any defense attempt to sever the La Bianca and Tate cases, “since a common thread runs through both.” He said his office also would seek to try all suspects in a single trial. Police believe that Manson, and possibly others indicted Monday, are involved in at least three other murders all masterminded by the longhaired cult leader. Testimony last week during the trial of a man accused of murdering musician Gary Hinman, 24, last July indicated Manson had given the orders for the victim’s execution. Miss Atkins was awaiting trial for the Hinman murder when she admitted her role and that of the others in the Tate crime to a cellmate. The district attorney decided Monday morning not to seek an indictment against Steve Grogan, 24, alias Garth or Gary Tufts, who had been implicated by Miss Atkins in the La Bianca killings. Prosecutors concluded he had left the scene with Manson and the others before the murders and possibly had no knowledge of them. He now is in jail in Inyo County on the auto theft charges. Bugliosi said he doubted if the suspects would be brought to trial “before next spring,” his estimate being based on the assumption that most would use legal delays available to them. The leader of a motorcycle gang, who fumed and swore at newsmen as he arrived to testify, was the chief witness at Monday’s jury session. Once inside the jury room, however, Daniel de Carlo, slight and dark-eyed, proved a cooperative witness, according to Stovitz and Bugliosi.
De Carlo lived for a time with Manson’s cult at the movie ranch in Chatsworth.

**No Part in Slayings-**Stovitz said de Carlo “had no part” in the murders.
But it is understood de Carlo supplied detectives with information about both slaughters.
Three of the so-called material witnesses brought here with Miss Sankston from Inyo County Nov. 25 also testified Monday. Nancy Pittman, 20, Rachel Morse, 18, and Diane Bluestein, 16, reportedly told jurors they had no knowledge of the murders. They will be returned to Independence for trial on the auto theft charges.

**Sharon Tate Estate Placed at $45,000-**Actress Sharon Tate left an estate of $45,000 and an undisclosed sum in personal property, documents filed in Santa Monica Superior Court disclosed Monday. The father of the slain film star, retired Army Lt. Col. Paul Tate, petitioned the court for letters of administration. Miss Tate is believed to have died without a will.

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