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Brookfield call

Brookfield call - on the BE $5bn partnership, "already in conversations to expand that partnership, not by percentages, but by MULTIPLES.

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u/4252020-asdf — 6 days ago

Disclaimer: Not financial advice. Do your own research.

Most folks have covered the numbers by now. I think there's agreement on the growth story.

The good surprises for me:

-My sales estimates were much higher than consensus, but BE beat even those. (For full year, I had already previously expected 3.6B, and now increased further.)

-GAAP profits much higher than I expected.

-Operating expenses came in lower than I thought due to better efficiency on sales than I expected. Makes a lot of sense since fewer bigger customers are driving accelerated revenue.

-Share count was lower than I expected so that helped EPS. (This is one of the big variables that has huge impact on sell side analyst estimates, but is less predictable as it can depend on many factors.)

The not so good for me:

-Q1 gross margins were worse than I expected. So it surprises me when street keeps talking about Q1 margins being higher than expected. I expected that better factory loading would help Q1 margins more.

-Even less visibility and transparency from management.

-CEO speaks like he's the CEO of a private startup rather than CEO of a public company. Good public companies are more specific, direct, and transparent.

-The previously announced 1GW to 2GW expansion already implied >200 MW capacity ramp every quarter. And eventual 5GW is not helpful at all since that was already known as well. So the new language doesn't help those who want to anchor estimates.

Neutral things:

-Taxes were a surprise for me: they paid almost none. Likely because of historical tax losses that they carried as credit. So that helps earnings now, and maybe through 2026, but probably not beyond. I definitely missed that and that increased GAAP profits further than I expected. I think that they'll have to start paying more typical tax rate beyond that.

-Sales for the past 2 quarters are reported slightly differently. Actually last 3 quarters, but the oldest one impact was minimal. BE reports revenue using the standard practices (and probably required method as far as I understand) based on customer acceptance. But the JV with Brookfield changes things a bit. Based on my understanding, accounting rules mean that those sales can be counted once product is ready because BE itself is a part owner of the JV receiving the product. (If I'm wrong please please comment!) So some sales are POTENTIALLY pulled forward ahead of delivery. After 2 more quarters, this will be the normalized so all the YoY growth will include this. But currently YoY might be a bit skewed. These were the notes I saw: "Including related party revenue of $373.3 million, $574.2 million and $2.8 million for the three months ended March 31, 2026, December 31, 2025, and March 31, 2025, respectively."

Looking at how I think about this compared to Morgan Stanley, my 2 year sales remain higher than MS. But I diverge on long term. Now it's all about magnitude, longevity, pace, and valuation.

I think I mostly have a valuation difference, due to perhaps share count assumptions, and growth expectations in 2028 through 2030, and margin differences. I don't see their mid-2030s, and beyond mid-2030s if they do model that (I'm modeling that growth normalizes in the mid-2030s).

Based on the changes they made to their new model vs prior model, seems like the current beat of their estimates just flowed through all their quarters: their new went up 22% for 2026, 21% for 2027, 21% for 2028, then 36% for 2029, and 36% for 2030. To me it seems like they did a "year X+1 is Y% higher than year X", and after updating the near term deliveries, increases flowed through without much nuance? I think lots of analyst do that, but I personally think it would be better to apply more discretion. So I guess I have some skepticism in how they model future years which is where the company's value comes from. The analyst that covers BE at MS changed 6 months ago or 9 months ago I think?

My 2026 base case fair value went from around 205 to around 225. But it's sensitive and if I tweak some assumptions can get to around 280 for my EoY fair value. Given sensitivity here, context is my base case EPS for 2029 is $5. So a $300 stock would mean 60x my 2029 earnings.

I'll revise up if I see hotbox data from MTAR (I estimate 65% of BE's hotbox supply) that they are accelerating their manufacturing beyond previously disclosed plan (which runs into 2028 and includes a new facility). Another potential for additional upside I haven't modeled: if BE is able to increase power generation per hotbox.

What I'm thinking, and diversification

I certainly acknowledge that I'm on the more conservative side despite being very bullish on BE. My risk tolerance and ability to absorb volatility also potentially much lower than many other folks.

Given lack of transparency for forecasting ("trust me bro" isn't enough for me), controversies that management has had in the past (although now maybe they've moved from overpromising to sandbagging), and upcoming shareholder vote on something about "management exculpation" that seems to give very very broad protection to management from lawsuits (vote failed last year) I now have a bad taste at current price levels given how much growth is needed to meet expectations.

Maybe that clause that about management exculpation is something that's standard now, but I still don't like seeing it.

So, to help manage the crazy stress levels I have because of BE volatility, I've been looking to diversify.

Started positions in FTAI and SNDK ( SNDK price is painful, but I figure that just because I hesitated before and missed the big pump, no reason to miss on potential future performance). Debating whether to stay, exit quickly, or rotate further into.

FTAI thoughts and questions

Wondering if anyone has looked at FTAI? I really liked their earnings call this morning. While they do gas combustion (so more pollution than Bloom), I see some similarities to Bloom's playbook:

  • Their business today is servicing plane engines (which in itself was really interesting and seems like it had potential), and a financial arm that does lease backs. Based on the call the current business model looked interesting. And the company is already GAAP positive for the past couple years. But this is not what interested me.
  • What drew me to look at the company is their new datacenter power business.
  • They're converting some of their jet engine assets to aeroderivative gas engines. And starting at the end of this year they plan to start delivering the converted engines to customers.
  • Management said: loads onto a truck and can be installed in 2 weeks (!!), modular deployment that makes service easy, 10+ year service contracts.
  • Management said they will imminently be sold out for 2027. And are already well into booking 2028.
  • I believe target for 2027 was 2 GW capacity based on what they said in previous earnings but I'd need to go back again.
  • While they are new in stationary power and don't have a power generation track record, their work in jet engine servicing is likely helpful here. They are using aircraft engines that have been around for a long time (management claims the model, CFM56 is one of the most reliable engines ever). And it's also standard gas combustion rather than "new tech".

The business only start at end of 2026, and 2027 target was around 2 GW of generation capacity. But I'm new to the stock and so I don't know the company or quality of management. Anyone have any thoughts on it?

SNDK thoughts and questions

Also, SNDK crushed earnings and just keeps printing money. Their EPS guidance looks insane to me. Revenue was over 20% higher than consensus. Just reported quarter were $23/share (ahead of consensus $15/share). Guiding to over $30/share for next quarter (vs expected $23/share). So at $1000, the stock is just 20x of the past 2 quarters alone, and not even the full year! So if next 2 quarters after that are the same as the last 2, then that would me it's trading at a 10x multiple. I understand that memory is historically boom and bust and can crash hard because it's highly variable, but I don't see how demand slows given datacenters, and their historical competitors (Samsung, SK) who'd usually flood the market are focused on higher value products for datacenters. Maybe Western Digital could be a risk? But I think SSDs have advantages over standard hard drives. So if the opportunity is durable to do market, and more predictable (their have new contract model that forces customers to pay even if they change their mind should, and I think they said 1/3 of new contracts were using this model?), then why is SNDK trading at a trough multiple? Can anyone explain this one to me? (And why is SNDK down after hours! Expectations maybe were higher than consensus? Or maybe because there's lower expectation of beat and raise with more predictability?)

Disclaimer: not financial advice. do your own research.

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u/Mathhasspoken — 13 days ago
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I have a few questions that I am hoping someone can address. I listened to a Suncast Media podcast recently with the CEO of Terraflow Energy who basically described serious problems that AI data centers are running into regarding load profiles. I think it is well worth the listen if anyone is interested in this topic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga3m191bg34

Terraflow’s solution, as I understand it, is vanadium flow batteries. I think they are basically suggesting running a grid connected data center load through the batteries constantly, not just using them for back up. Unlike lithium, they say that vanadium flow batteries do not experience the wear and tear (or thermal runaway) of constant on/off cycles that you would see with lithium batteries performing the same function. He also outlines that turbine or engine generators are not a viable solution long term given that it appears that these data centers are burning through physical components of the generators (crankshafts, switches, etc.) at an unsustainable level. This is due to the extremely volatile load profile and the need for the generators to constantly kick on/off to maintain a steady load for the grid. Terraflow’s solution makes sense for grid connected AI data centers, but I assume it would also work the same for completely islanded data centers that are running off of some other base load power.

Bloom Energy’s stock price has skyrocketed recently. Presumably, this is due to the idea that a completely islanded AI data center (what their solution can help provide) is preferable to a grid connected one. I am wondering though, if islanded sites will be running into the same issues as grid connected sites. The grid operators will obviously not accept any sort of interruption due to the load volatility, hence the proposed Terraflow solution. However, in an islanded data center situation, I would think that the downside shifts squarely to the AI model companies, who will suffer high latency or even straight up outages (lack of compute) if the generators fail due to overuse. My questions are therefore:

1.      Assuming that these AI companies don’t care how many generators they burn through to keep the tokens flowing, how long can that last?

2.      For an islanded data center, does Bloom Energy’s solution provide the base load power or is their solution meant to be the back up or load smoothing enabler (similar to Terraflow)?

3.      If Bloom Energy’s solution is being used at grid connected AI data centers as back up, can their solution kick on quickly enough to maintain smooth load back onto the grid?

4.      If Bloom Energy is the baseload power at an islanded site, aren’t the AI companies still at risk of compute outages or latency issues due to the same generator issues those sites would be subject to?

 5.      Do software solutions, such as Emerald AI, that spread out the AI workloads across data centers eventually solve this problem for good?

 Thank you!

u/Born_Proof_9010 — 8 days ago

I looked at this white paper and I’m not sure that I’m sold on their supercapacitor’s ability to smooth out the volatility for large load swings that these AI data centers are supposedly experiencing. I am also not an electrical engineer so I could be dead wrong but here is what I am curious about:

On page 8, it shows a graph of how the supercapacitor is able to accommodate the volatility. The example used is a 300 kilowatt load with swings between 40% and 100%, cycling between the min and max about once per minute. In this example, it appears that the supercapacitors are able to do the job for this load profile. However, from what I’ve heard, these large AI data center loads are orders of magnitude larger than that and can swing between 40-50% around 10 times per minute and even multiple times per second. For example, a site with a peak load of 160 megawatts swinging 60-80 megawatts 10 times per minute. 160mw is over 500 times larger than 300kw. Can the supercapacitors handle that? Let’s assume that all of the supercapacitors together could handle an 80mw swing at a 160mw site once per minute. Could it handle 10 times per minute? If a supercapacitor has a lifespan of 1,000,000 cycles, at 3,000 cycles per day (~2 cycles per minute) the lifespan is less than 1 year.

I assume that the 300kw load in their example is meant to reflect extreme conditions on a single GPU rack, and obviously there are multiple supercapacitors at work here inside the data center. I don’t know how all of this works in terms of coordination between the racks but I still am interested in seeing how Bloom Energy’s solution will solve for these wild fluctuations.

https://www.bloomenergy.com/wp-content/uploads/load-following-solid-oxide-fuel-cell.pdf

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u/Born_Proof_9010 — 7 days ago
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Bloom Energy has been around the block for quite a while, overpromising and forever underdelivering. Why should this time be different? 

2010s: Fuel cells as clean-energy infrastructure for commercial buildings and utilities.

Late 2010s: Hydrogen transition story — Bloom as a future hydrogen economy enabler.

2020–2023: Microgrid resilience and energy independence in the post-COVID era.

2024–2026: AI data center power crisis — Bloom as the hyperscaler’s grid bypass.

u/orishasinc2 — 14 days ago