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A Mead-ieval time

I recently finished brewing a few batches of mead and decided the best use for them would be to throw a dinner party using several medieval recipes out of Max’s catalogue of videos. Recipes included:

Apple Pie from the Forme of Cury

Cormarye with Cameline Sauce

Makke

Viking Funeral Bread

Mayday Salad

Tart de Bry

Hildegard von Bingen’s Cookies of Joy

Mead in 5 varieties (though not one of Max’s recipes)

The apple pie was fantastic and well received (do not recommend eating the crust), as was the cormarye and tart de bry. The cormarye recipe is ridiculously easy and I would recommend it to anyone looking to try one of Max’s recipes.

The cookies of joy do not spark joy. Whether they balanced our humors is yet to be seen.

The most challenging dish was paradoxically the makke—Max does not show this but the fava beans I had were still husk-on and needed to be peeled, individually, by hand after soaking which was laborious and not worth doing. I’d just use a different bean next time. At least it made me appreciate the effort a peasant would have to go through for their meal! It does pair well with the funeral bread for anyone looking to do a more rustic meal.

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u/Derstoid — 15 hours ago

For the 250th series: Siege of Boston

Just watched the Benjamin Franklin episode (I'm shockingly behind) and the first thing that I thought of for the series about the Revolution was the Siege of Boston. Much like the episodes that explored rationing on the home front, this could be a fascinating dive into how the people left in Boston were impacted by being cut off from supply lines for almost a whole year. Even the horses were starving.

There's so much that the history segment could cover, from the start (Lexington and Concord) to the Battle of Bunker Hill, the overlooked Burning of Falmouth, the end of the Siege with the fortification of Dorchester with cannons from Fort Ticonderoga. It's such a rich segment of history to explore and I'd love to see Max's take on it!

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u/Key-Plantain-9747 — 10 hours ago
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Investor J.P. Morgan managed so tightlty his image that if someone took a photo of him without touch ups he would go into a rage. This was due rhinophyma which made his nose large, bulbous and purple, photos circa 1900s.

u/Front-Coconut-8196 — 1 day ago
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Check it out, Max's book appeared in a cozy bookstore game I'm playing!

It's called Tiny Bookshop and it's great if anyone is curious about the game!

u/elletee80 — 2 days ago
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A stereotype of early medieval Ireland in some popular history is that the livestock was overwhelmingly cattle with little sheep, pigs or goats, compared to an apparently more even mixture in the rest of early medieval Europe. If this is true, was it widely remarked upon at the time?

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u/OGSyedIsEverywhere — 1 day ago
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Kulebyaka. From the book "Schoolchild's Nutrition", 1963, USSR

Dough (per 600g finished dough):

415g flour

17g sugar

10g margarine

½ egg

10g fresh yeast

6g salt

170g water

Filling: 530g

Method:

Make stiff dough (stiffer than for pirozhki). Cut into 600g pieces. Roll out, let rest. Then roll into a strip — 18–20 cm wide, 1 cm thick.

On the middle of the strip, full length, put 530g of filling — meat, liver, fish, vegetables, or kasha.

Seal the edges over the filling. Pinch.

Place on greased sheet. Egg wash. Decorate with thin strips of dough.

Let rest again. Egg wash again. Poke 2–3 holes for steam.

Baking: 180–200°C for 40–50 minutes.

u/StanzaRareBooks — 2 days ago
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My (slightly janky) school cafeteria pizza

I accidentally bought onion soup mix instead of dried onions for the sauce, but it came out great anyway! Also ended up having to leave out the marjoram since I couldn’t find any at the store. Definitely should’ve put more vegetable oil and corn meal on the pan, these were a nightmare to get off in once piece!

The last photo is the unfortunate sacrifice I had to completely tear up to get the scraper under the rest of the pizza. How was y’all’s experience making this recipe?

u/Talon_Company_Merc — 3 days ago
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I hope Jose is doing okay.

I was reading about the mass layoffs at Disney and some of them sounded near ish to what I remember him doing. I don't want to be parasocial or pry to much or anything, so if you read this Jose do not feel any pressure to respond or anything. Just know that if it helps or is needed at all trying to send good vibes your way. Cheers.

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u/Troile — 5 days ago
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The ACTUAL 3770 year old Babylonian clay tablet containing the oldest known cooking recipes. The tablet, YBC 04644, includes a total of 25 recipes for stews: 21 meat stews and 4 vegetable stews. Housed at the Yale Peabody Museum in the Babylonian Collection.

It saddens me that a previous post about this tablet got so much traction with an AI image of a "cuneiform" tablet. Hopefully this post is allowed to stand.

This tablet was highlighted on the Cuneiform Digital Library Initiative by Klaus Wagensonner, and I've copied his write-up here: 

>This tablet is one of three Old Babylonian manuscripts housed in the Yale Babylonian Collection that are inscribed with the world’s earliest cooking recipes. The tablet presented here includes twenty-five recipes for stews or broths, each very short. The stews are based on water and fat, sometimes enriched with beer, milk, or blood for thickening and taste. In most cases, meat is added, as well as vegetables—onion, garlic, and leek—and condiments such as cumin, coriander, and (in the case of an “Elamite” stew) dill. The stews were simmered for an extended time before they were served. Here is the translation of one of the recipes: Wild-pigeon broth: You split up the wild pigeon; (other) meat is (also) used. You prepare water. You add fat. Fine-grained salt, dried barley cakes, onion, Persian shallot, leek, and garlic: you soak (these) herbs of yours in milk, and (the dish) is ready to serve. The tablet ends with a subscript summarizing the dishes previously described as “twenty-one meat stews and four vegetable-based (dishes).” 

Below is a translation of one of the meat stews and one of the vegetable dishes from this tablet you can follow, along with a video from the Yale interdisciplinary team cooking them: https://babylonian-collection.yale.edu/about/babylonian-cooking

Babylonian lamb stew with beets

Recipes are for 2 full portions or 15 bite-size servings

Ingredients:

  • 1 pound of diced leg of mutton or lamb
  • 1/2 cup of rendered sheep fat
  • 1/2 teaspoon of salt
  • 1 cup of beer
  • 1/2 cup of water
  • 1 small onion, chopped
  • 1 cup of chopped arugula
  • 1 cup of Persian shallots or spring onions
  • 1/2 cup of chopped fresh cilantro
  • 1 teaspoon of cumin
  • 1 pound of fresh red beets, peeled and diced
  • 1/2 cup of chopped leek
  • 2 cloves of garlic

For the garnish:

  • 2 teaspoons of dry coriander seed
  • 1/2 cup of finely chopped cilantro
  • 1/2 cup of finely chopped kurrat or ramps/wild leek

Instructions:

  1. Heat the fat in a pot wide enough for the diced lamb to spread in one layer.
  2. Add lamb and sear on high heat until all moisture evaporates.
  3. Fold in the onion, and keep cooking until it is almost transparent.
  4. Fold in red beet, arugula, cilantro, Persian shallots and cumin. Keep on folding until the moisture evaporates and ingredients emit a pleasant aroma.
  5. Pour in the beer. Add water. Give the pot a light stir. Bring the pot to a boil.
  6. Reduce heat and add leek and garlic that you crush in a mortar.
  7. Let the stew simmer until the sauce thickens after about an hour.
  8. Chop kurrat and fresh cilantro and pound it into a paste using a mortar.
  9. Ladle the stew into plates and sprinkle with dry coriander seed and the kurrat and cilantro paste. The dish can be served with steamed bulgur and naan-bread.

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“Unwinding”, which makes a loaf of sourdough bread and broth

Recipes are for 2 full portions or 15 bite-size servings

Ingredients:

  • 14 ounces barley seeds
  • ¾ cup warm water
  • ½ teaspoon salt
  • ½ ounce kurrāth or spring onion
  • ¼ ounce cilantro
  • 2 cloves of garlic 
  • 3½ ounces leeks 
  • 2 tablespoons oil of untoasted sesame 
  • 6 ¼ cups water
  • ½ teaspoon salt, or to taste

**For making the sourdough bread (**bappiru ‘beer-bread’):

  1. Wash the seeds and soak them in water overnight. Dry them, toast them lightly, and then grind them into flour.
  2. Make the flour into dough by adding warm water. Let it ferment slowly for about 12 hours in the refrigerator.  
  3. Shape dough into clumps, sprinkle them with salt, and bake them in a medium-hot oven (375ºF) for about 20 minutes, or until they are done. Let the bread cool completely and then coarsely crush it.

   

For making the broth:

  1. Chop kurrāth or spring onion and cilantro, and set aside. 
  2. Pound the garlic and leeks together into paste using a mortar.
  3. Heat the sesame oil in a pot and add the mashed garlic and leeks, stirring constantly, until they start to produce a pleasant aroma, a few minutes.
  4. Add water and salt, stir the pot, and let it simmer gently for about an hour. About 15 minutes before the pot is done, stir in the set-aside chopped leeks and cilantro.   
  5. Just before removing the pot from the fire, scatter the crushed bread all over the stew, give it a gentle stir, and then serve it.

 

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Sources

Yale University Library*: https://collections.peabody.yale.edu/search/Record/YPM-BC-018709

Cuneiform Digital Library Initiative (CDLI)**: https://cdli.earth/artifacts/291955

Tablet translation by Bottéro, Jean (1987). "The Culinary Tablets at Yale"Journal of the American Oriental Society107 (1): 11–19. doi:10.2307/602948ISSN 0003-0279JSTOR 602948.

Additional Resources

  1. Another great write up of this tablet's translations from Klaus Wagensonner on CDLI: https://cdli.earth/cdli-tablet/725
  2. Max Miller on Tasting History making the "Babylonian lamb stew with beets": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IYYhoO-hiY
  3. Additional reading from the Chapter 9 "Food in Ancient Mesopotamia. Cooking the Yale Babylonian Culinary Recipes." in "Ancient Mesopotamia Speaks" by G. Barjamovic, P.J. Gonzalez, C. Graham, A.W. Lassen, N. Nasrallah, P. Sörensen Pp. 108-125 https://www.academia.edu/40639453/_2019d_G_Barjamovic_P_J_Gonzalez_C_Graham_A_W_Lassen_N_Nasrallah_P_S%C3%B6rensen_Food_in_Ancient_Mesopotamia_Cooking_the_Yale_Babylonian_Culinary_Recipes_Pp_108_125_in_Ancient_Mesopotamia_Speaks_ed_A_Lassen_E_Frahm_and_K_Wagensonner_New_Haven_CT_Yale_Peabody
  4. The oldest version of this post I could find on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtefactPorn/comments/377f3w/babylonian_clay_tablet_written_in_akkadian/

*You will likely get a pop up about the collections data portal being redesigned, but if you click "continue to portal" it will still take you to the correct page. Also, the tablet's current museum ID number is YPM BC 018709. The original ID was YBC 04644. Both IDs will get you the tablet in a search.

**A note on the Cuneiform Digital Library: the server is... slow. If the page isn't responding please give it 10-20 seconds.

u/SandakinTheTriplet — 4 days ago

Italian or Asian Food?

It is interesting to me that most foods associated w/ Italy actually come from China and India. Has anyone noticed this?

Tomatoes, Garlic, Basil, black pepper are all staple foods of Italy, but they are all originally from India or parts of China. My Italian friend was shocked to find out that tomatoes are not from the Mediterranean region.

Even the iconic orange trees in Sicily are not indigenous. Citrus fruits are from India and China!

Isn't it strange to think that these ingredients are not considered exotic, but eating out at an authentic Chinese, Thai or Indian restaurant is.

Most of these foods were introduced to this region in the 1500s. That is pretty recent when placed in context- Garlic has been cultivated for 7000 years in central Asia.

If anything, these foods should be associated with Asian nations. Isn't that odd? It's a bit jarring to think about how many spice brands and iconography slap Italian flags on foods that were never originally Italian. I guess most Americans assume that tomatoes are from Italy, because they are not as exposed to Asian cooking and history.

Granted, Italy is a lot younger of a nation and has seen a lot of cultural exchange due to the Roman empire and trade, so it makes sense that a lot of what's considered Italian food is actually an amalgamation.

How does this shape your perception of cuisine and cultural exchange?

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u/Creepy_Intention_950 — 4 days ago
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this cost $10.00, :P

Sorry Max :(

If you ever need some cold-shipped I'm happy to do it for ya, :D

u/Cute_Boot_E — 9 days ago

Today marks the official liberation of the province of Friesland in the Netherlands, 15 april 1945. Here's an article from the provincial archives about the fanciful Liberation Dinners that were held just after the liberation, and what was (and wasn't) on the menu.

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u/Wonderful_Brain4591 — 6 days ago

For the 250th, a place to consider are theany restaurants on Union Street in Boston, home to two of (and one as) the oldest continuously run establishments in the United States: The Bell in Hand Tavern and Union Oyster House

They're nestled quite nicely behind a few dive bars, a memorial to the Holocaust and a GR joint (as well as the Boston Public Market). But, they're pretty cool locations and honestly would be fun for the show to take a peak at. A lot of the founding fathers would hang out at the second floor of the Oyster House (along with a bunch of random little revolutionary war trivia about the building) and regulars have included Daniel Webster and JFK.

We even have a menu for what would become the Union Oyster House from 1820 available on their website and shown here!

u/elbenji — 7 days ago