I've been playing around with avatar mode and not being very creative, I just want to make super Blanka.

However, I've tried a few different body proportions and I'm having a lot of trouble with opponents falling out of combos.

Are there are any known measurements to make his moveset work right on a avatars?

(This is a crosspost from r/streetfighter.)

It’s finally time. The last ranking in this series (At least until Ingrid comes out.) The strongest attacks in the game: Level 3 supers.

Frankly speaking, there’s not much to say about most of these. Level 3s all share one function: land a hit and begin a cinematic. I’ll still be ranking them in terms of viability, but the differences mostly come down to startup and hitboxes. The main reason you’d want to equip any particular super is because of how cool they look. In the spirit of that, I’ve decided to do something unique: I’m going to discuss my personal opinions on which level 3s look the coolest in an avatar context. (Note: I like almost every super a lot so the rankings will be skewed towards the higher range.) Enough preamble, let’s finish this!

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F Tier

• Pas de Deux (Manon): Because it’s a command grab, Pas de Deux can’t be comboed into unless the enemy remains grounded. This is a huge problem, as any juggles or special moves that knock down suddenly can’t be used to finish a combo with a super. It is unblockable, but this means nothing as the enemy can jump after the super flash to avoid it. It doesn’t even deal extra damage to compensate.
  • Notable Synergies: Manège Doré and Renversé. Medal levels increase the damage of this super, which is a pretty cool niche. In fact, medal level 5 Pas de Deux deals the second highest raw damage of any level 3 super. On that note, it’s also the only level 3 that can be canceled from Renversé, so it might be recommended if you really want to use that move.
  • Cinematic Discussion: The uselessness of this super bothers me a lot, because it’s one of my favorite supers in the game. The idea behind it is really funny and the poses are pretty. It does lose some points on the avatar version, as they don’t sing Manon’s song during the critical art. 9/10
• Raging Typhoon (Lily): Everything said about Manon’s super applies here too. The only differences are the direction of the input and the higher base damage. Ranks higher since it doesn’t have to rely on medals for extra damage.
  • Cinematic Discussion: The animation for this super is really cool, as it manages to make your character look both agile and strong. There is a slight disconnect between the normal and critical art versions, as one portrays a fantasy of power while the other is a lot more silly. Still, that could work if it’s what you want. 8/10

D Tier

• Merciless Yoga (Dhalsim): 10 frame startup, which is standard for a lot of level 3s. The hitbox is terrible, having the worst horizontal range of any level 3 and not a lot of vertical range to compensate. To put into perspective how bad the hitbox is, this is the only super that whiffed after canceling it from Bison’s heavy punch at max range
  • Cinematic Discussion: I really like the use of Dhalsim’s stretchy arms in this super, as it’s the only way to use his stretchy limbs on an avatar without needing his base moveset. The second half messes it up a lot, as the head drill doesn’t really fit any of my OCs. The critical art is also barely different, and I don’t really understand why it causes every character to make the same weird face. 5/10
• The Final Prison (Alex): 12 frame startup makes this super relatively slow. The hitbox doesn’t make up for it, having moderate horizontal range but bad vertical range. For example, this always whiffed when canceled from OD Electric Thunder during testing.
  • Cinematic Discussion: The most unique aspect of this super is how the animation changes if it’ll kill or not. Combined with its critical arts, this gives it 4 different animations to consider. The non-killing normal version is the least good, as the constant camera cuts kind of ruin the impact of the throw. The normal killing version has some really fun facial expressions, the non-killing critical art has a really well-done dramatic throw, and the killing critical art feels brutal as hell. All in all, this deserves a top rating just for the sheer number of animations. 10/10
• Tiger Vanquisher (Sagat): 12 frame startup, but with a bigger hitbox than The Final Prison. Note that no avatar can be as tall as Sagat, which makes the range a little worse.
  • Notable Synergies: Tiger Uppercut. Tiger Vanquisher has 2 frame startup when canceled from Tiger Uppercut, making it much better for combos. Note that this does not apply to any other DPs.
  • Cinematic Discussion: This is perhaps the most brutal super in the game, as it visibly destroys the enemy’s knee and jaw. Although, it doesn’t work quite as well for avatars. Since you can’t make an avatar as tall as Sagat, this super’s animation is affected quite a lot. For the record, I tested all of these with a minimum height character, but it is worth noting that the knee-breaking kick was aimed at the enemy’s hip instead. Despite that problem, it still feels pretty powerful. 9/10
• Goddess of the Hunt (Marisa): At 13 frame startup, this is the second slowest level 3 in the game. It does have a pretty big hitbox, but I’ve seen it whiff too many times to call it great. The reward on hit somewhat makes up for these flaws, as it always puts the enemy in the corner. This doesn’t make it oppressive or anything, as there’s nothing stopping the enemy from just teleporting out, but it is a nice bonus to have.
  • Cinematic Discussion: As a Marisa main, I have to admit that I’m biased. Still, the way that you just loom over the enemy before blasting them away with a single gigantic punch is PEAK. The critical art could be unfitting if your character doesn’t have any kind of love-based gimmick, but it still feels brutal. 10/10

C Tier

• Getsuga Saiho (Jamie): This is a standard 10 frame startup with a REALLY bad hitbox. It does have a compensation hit (a second attack that can deal damage if the cinematic starter whiffs), but that would only count if it has to win a tie. The main draw of this super is that it puts the enemy in a free juggle state, being the only level 3 you can combo off of. It deals much lower damage to compensate, and you’re left very far away so you might have to drive rush to pick up the combo. This can be really good, but I’d argue it’s better to deal more damage rather than rely on a juggle that requires more resources and can be dropped. Besides, the critical art version loses this juggle mechanic, meaning it’s just a standard level 3 with a bad hitbox.
  • Cinematic Discussion: I’m not normally a fan of supers that consist of a series of random hits, but this one manages to make it work. The framing where it tricks the enemy into a standoff is really cool, but the critical art’s neck rip is what makes this super as good as it is. I don’t have much to say about the normal version’s attack, which does hold it back a lot. 8/10
• Hard Luck Rejector (C. Viper): Standard 10 frame startup. The hitbox isn’t bad, but it’s nothing special. On whiff, you stumble forward a bit after the punch, which can make enemy punishes slightly easier.
  • Cinematic Discussion: The main attack of this super is a really cool idea with great execution, but I feel unsure about everything surrounding it. Letting the enemy punch you feels weirdly unhelpful, and the zoom in on the rocket boots doesn’t work as well for avatars (unless you really want to show of the kicks). The critical art is what bothers me the most. Not because it isn’t cool, but because it annoys me how the best-looking electric level 3 is locked behind the critical art while the normal version has no electricity in sight. 8/10
• Psycho Chamber (Ed): Standard 10 frame startup with decent horizontal hitbox.
  • Cinematic Discussion: The super flash for this move is weird, as the low angle combined with the fact that Ed usually hides one of his eyes causes some avatars to look really creepy, especially if they have low eyelids. Aside from that, the concept and execution of this super are both amazing. Using flicker strings to turn the enemy into a punching bag, before hitting them so hard they break out of the trap. The critical art feels especially brutal with the way it pulls them back in for a smash into the ground. Creative and cool, what’s not to love? 9/10
• Claws of Ya Zi (A.K.I.): 10 frame startup with somewhat small hitbox. It does have a good vertical hitbox during juggles, which helps a ton when comboing into it.
  • Cinematic Discussion: This super is already really good on A.K.I., but it ranks especially high because of how well it works with avatars. A criticism one could say about avatars in general is that they tend to look uncanny, as it feels like they aren’t always designed well for most characters’ automatic facial expressions. This actually works perfectly for A.K.I.’s supers though, as she’s supposed to be creepy and insane. The facial expressions fit amazingly for the avatar using them, and that’s on top of how cool the super is normally. 10/10
• Kaisen Dankai Raku (Juri): 10 frame startup with pretty big hitbox, and it becomes even bigger vertically when used during a juggle.
  • Cinematic Discussion: A lot of the facial expression talk with Claws of Ya Zi also applies here, but I enjoy the action of the super itself even more. The way the enemy gets kicked to the ground and caught on the user’s foot is so cool and hits really hard. I will say the lack of unique voice lines hurts it a lot, as half of the appeal of the super is Juri’s voice lines. That said, I like the super itself too much for that flaw to lose any points. (Also if you want to make a fanservice avatar, there’s no better super to choose than this one.) 10/10

B Tier

• Soten Ranka (Chun-Li): The fastest level 3 so far at frame 8. Has a decently big hitbox being a kick, and a couple of compensation hits on top of that.
  • Cinematic Discussion: I never liked this super. Its another series of random attacks, except they really don’t flow into each other at all. I do enjoy the big Hazanshu at the end, but that’s lost entirely with the critical art. In terms of avatars specifically, the timing in which they yell the name of the super is very different from when Chun-Li says it, which makes it feel like there’s a bunch of dead air while they prepare for the finishing hit. 6/10
• Song of the Grasslands (Elena): 8 frame startup with a much bigger vertical hitbox than Soten Ranka, especially so when used during juggles.
  • Cinematic Discussion: This super gains points for being one of the only attacks in the game with a nature theme, which can be great if your avatar wants that. The attack itself is fun, basically just playing soccer with the opponent before kicking them into the screen. It does have some problems, like the second-to-last kick launching the enemy too high and the breakdance juggle during the critical art, both of which lower the impact of the overall attack. 8/10
• The Final Bout (E. Honda): Slightly slower at 9 frame startup, but rushes forward a decent distance which can help for fireball punishes or certain juggles.
  • Cinematic Discussion: The ring of fire is sooo sick dude. Outside of that, it’s just okay. Honda’s moves tend to be hard to justify for anyone that isn’t specifically a sumo wrestler, and this is obviously the biggest example of that. It also bothers me how the characters switch sides before switching sides again during the animation, as it makes it kind of hard to remember which side you started on. That’s a minor nitpick, though. This super’s still cool. 8/10
• Shiranui Ryuu: Enbu Ada Zakura (Mai): 10 frame startup, but moves forward pretty far. Also has an extremely strong compensation hitbox, which you can even juggle out of.
  • Notable Synergies: Hissatsu Shinobi Bachi. This super speeds up to frame 3 when canceled out of Mai’s cartwheel, but this is mostly for consistency.
  • Cinematic Discussion: This is the best super to use if you want your character to be a ninja. The fiery tornado rocks and the series of fan strikes is elegant, but my favorite part is the fire acting as spurting blood. 10/10
• Weekend Pleasure (Dee Jay): 9 frame startup with absolutely massive vertical range, great for juggles and anti-airs. While this doesn’t affect the ranking, it is worth noting that the quick series of punches makes this perfect for some of the best gear skills, such as Carnage and Dedicated Pugilist.
  • Cinematic Discussion: This super’s animation is alright when Dee Jay uses it, but it’s completely ruined by avatars. The entire point is that Dee Jay looks jovial while beating up his enemy, but the facial animations do NOT convey the same thing for avatars. They end up looking creepy and psychotic instead of joyous, which ruins everything. I’m not even the biggest fan of the attack itself, but it’s not like I hate it as a concept. 5/10
• Bushin Ninjastar Cypher (Kimberly): 8 frame startup with very good anti-air hitbox. While it activates an install for Kimberly, it doesn’t seem to do the same for avatars. (Note: I have been told that the install does work if you have Kimberly’s base moveset equipped, but I can’t tell if there’s a difference in walk speed and no icon shows up so I’m unable to verify if this is true. If it does work, the ranking would be unaffected.)
  • Cinematic Discussion: The Ragnarok attack and Izuna drop during the critical art are both cool ninja things, but I feel like the presence of the spray cans hurts how well this can work for most avatars. Kimberly’s whole “ninja with spray cans” thing is such a specific concept and this works well for her, but I can’t think of a single character that could pull off the same idea without just being a ripoff of her. Aside from that, it looks pretty cool and I like the song. 8/10

A Tier

• Pale Rider (Luke): 10 frame startup up close, but you run forward a massive distance before attacking. This can uniquely be used to combo from some longer-range specials, but your mileage may vary. It’s also somewhat annoying to punish, but that doesn’t mean it’s safe or anything. I could hear arguments to rank this higher or lower tbh.
  • Cinematic Discussion: I LOVE the MMA style lockdown. The normal version is okay, but the critical art feels SO brutal. I especially love the detail of the enemy’s arm remaining where it is after they get hit with the final punch, before the user just brushes them aside. It does bother me a little that the user is standing over the enemy rather than sitting on them, but it’s not a huge deal. 9/10
• Altair (Rashid): This is relatively slow at 11 frame startup, but it has a gigantic hitbox and travels forward a massive distance.
  • Cinematic Discussion: I love the way the user wall jumps up a tornado to attack from all angles, but the flying kicks before the finisher feel pretty sparse and weak. The critical art bumps it up a lot though, attacking rapidly from every angle before riding the enemy all the way to the ground. 8/10
• Ground Shave Cannonball (Blanka): 10 frame startup but travels over half of the screen forward much faster than most other supers can.
  • Cinematic Discussion: I’ve always disliked this super. The bites are okay, but there’s way too long of a gap between that and punching the enemy into the air. The rolling attack on the normal version feels weak, and the critical art breaks the laws of physics in a way that feels dumb instead of cool. It’s even worse on avatars, as the bites don’t work if you’re wearing any kind of mask. Even if you aren’t wearing a mask, these bites reveal a big problem with the avatar creator: you can’t change your teeth at all. 3/10
• Interdiction (JP): At 18 frame startup, this is the slowest level 3 in the game. This is absolutely worth it, as it teleports to the enemy’s location before attacking. Since it hits full screen, it can be used to deal huge damage after landing a fireball, punish from long range, or work in nearly any combo you’d want it to. The slow startup doesn’t matter too much in most combos, but it can make it harder to juggle or punish certain attacks.
  • Cinematic Discussion: This is by far the evilest cinematic in the game, which can be amazing for OCs. The way it erupts spikes from inside the enemy is so cool, and JP’s smarmy attitude shines through perfectly, especially with the handkerchief in the critical art. One detail I never noticed until now is that several longer spikes appear and narrowly avoid JP, which is super neat. Those longer spikes don’t appear in the avatar version, though, which loses a few points. 9/10
• Crossfire Somersault (Guile): This is the first of an important category: Uppercut supers. These are great because their upwards hitboxes allow them to combo from DPs, a trait most level 3s don’t have. At 9 frame startup, this is the slowest uppercut super, though it does share the massive hitbox of flash kick for its non-cinematic hit. The bigger issue is its charge input, which can make it easier to cancel out of charge moves but makes it virtually impossible to cancel from DPs or most quarter circle forward moves.
  • Cinematic Discussion: I like the concept of combining a Double Flash Kick with a spinning Sonic Boom, but the execution could use some work. The enemy gets launched like 200 feet into the air, yet the user is still able to jump onto them from off screen? Also the critical art changes literally nothing but the timing and camera angle, which is incredibly disappointing. It is helped a lot by how brutal the sound effect of the second kick is, but it could still overall be better. 7/10
• Rising Fang (Terry): Frame 8 uppercut super. Non-cinematic hit has the potential to be weaker than Crossfire Somersault, but the motion input and startup are better.
  • Notable Synergies: Quick Burn/Burning Knuckle and Rising Tackle. Startup speeds up to frame 2 when canceled from any of these moves.
  • Cinematic Discussion: Fun fact: The pose in the super flash is a reference to the 1992 anime movie, Fatal Fury: Legend of the Hungry Wolf. For the actual animation, it’s pretty cool in terms of being a super version of Rising Tackle. That being said, Rising Tackle itself is a weird and confusing move, as it goes from being a kick to a series of spinning punches. The finishing hit and the critical art’s aerial Buster Wolf both make up for this weirdness though. 8/10
• Shinryu Reppa (Ken): Frame 7 uppercut super, though the cinematic hit has less range than other uppercuts and tends to whiff if canceled from single-hit DPs. While the non-cinematic hit deals less damage than Rising Fang, it can be juggled out of.
  • Cinematic Discussion: If I had to nitpick, I find the concept of combining Shoryureppa and Shinryuken strange since Ken still has Shoryureppa as OD Shoryuken. That doesn’t matter because this super is awesome. While it’s somewhat basic conceptually, the cinematography does a ton of work. The zoom in on the fist catching fire as it grazes the ground, the expression on the user’s face before leaving the ground, and the subtle glance before the enemy falls back to the ground, and the shot of the user landing are all absolutely gorgeous. Not to mention the critical art literally smashing in the enemy’s face while yelling “Sit down, and shut up!” (Note: Avatars don’t say this part but I don’t care.) 10/10

S Tier

• Shin Shoryuken (Ryu): Frame 5 uppercut super, tied for the fastest super in the game, making it absolutely incredible for combos and punishes. The non-cinematic hit does more damage than any other non-cinematic hit, so it’s still strong even if it hits wrong.
  • Notable Synergies: Shoryuken (Ryu): Shin Shoryuken has frame 2 startup when canceled from heavy Shoryuken, though I’m not sure if that’s even needed.
  • Cinematic Discussion: I never thought Shin Shoryuken as a concept is boring, as every protagonist has a big version of their iconic move. The execution in this game isn’t the best though. It’s mostly focused on the musculature of Ryu’s arm, but avatars’ biceps don’t animate at all so it loses a lot of the impact. The punch itself is decent, but it bothers me how the knee becomes part of the attack. Like, that’s supposed to propel you off the ground, why are you hitting with it? The critical art also doesn’t add much beyond a filter and some electric effects. 6/10
• Unlimited Psycho Crusher (M. Bison): Frame 10 startup with massive horizontal range, and the vertical hitbox isn’t bad either. This is already great, but it speeds up to frame 5 when canceled from any special move, meaning it works in almost any combo you want. Despite not being an uppercut, this speed means it works from DPs as well.
  • Cinematic Discussion: This is a rare case where I actually like the normal version more than the critical art. Dragging the enemy around with a psycho crusher before throwing them to the floor is just so much cooler to me than a single explosive attack. Both versions are still really good, though it hurts a little that the avatar can’t finish of the enemy by calling them a worm. 10/10
• Bolshoi Storm Buster (Zangief): Frame 6 startup before the super flash, and unjumpable afterwards. This combined with its high base damage makes it the best reversal super in the game, and it can be extremely dangerous as a mixup as well. It’s not flawless, as the 720 input can be difficult to use and it doesn’t work on enemies in hitstun. You can combo into it if you can cause a crumple, but these flaws don’t really matter. When Zangief has three bars, all of his matchups get turned on their head. Imagine that fear factor on literally any other character. Or someone with a teleport.
  • Cinematic Discussion: It’s a giant SPD, what more do you need? Frankly, I’ve seen the lariat to the throat more than the entire super because of the memes, so I find the rest of it a bit harder to remember. It’s still really good, though it loses a point or two since the avatar doesn’t say any of the funny lines. 8/10
• Delta Red Assault (Cammy): Frame 9, but travels full screen while being fully invincible for most of the journey. This is basically just a better version of Interdiction, sacrificing some vertical range for a ton more speed.
  • Cinematic Discussion: This thing is scary. The dark atmosphere, lightning-fast movement, and the way it targets the enemy’s weak points to make them stumble all work so well. The final hit is okay in the normal version, but the critical art’s reveal and kick THROUGH the neck are both amazing. 10/10
• Sip of Calamity/Shun Goku Satsu (Akuma): I swear I’m not biased. Sip of Calamity is a frame 8 strike with a decent hitbox, nothing too special by itself. The main appeal of equipping this super is that you gain access to Shun Goku Satsu, the Raging Demon, at low health. While the input is hard to use and it has no invincibility, it’s another frame 0 command grab and comes with a lot of the same qualities as Bolshoi Storm Buster. It also has projectile invincibility and moves forward very fast, so it could be used as a projectile punish as well. Even if you want something truly invincible or you want to finish a combo where the enemy is airborne, you can just use Sip of Calamity instead. Say what you will about Raging Demon, but no other level 3 has this level of versatility.
  • Notable Synergies: Adamant Flame and Gou Shoryuken. Sip of Calamity is sped up to frame 2 when canceled from either of these specials.
  • Cinematic Discussion: I can’t coherently address everything I love about either of these supers, so I’ll just list the stuff I like. The stomp in the activating hit exudes so much power despite not even being visible if it lands. The way you just loom over the enemy. The fact it’s just a single big punch, which if you remember from Marisa’s super I really like that part. The absolute struggle the enemy has in the critical art. KONGOU KOKURETSU ZAN TO THE FACE!. If it kills, the shockwave from the critical art looks like a Torii gate. EVERYTHING about Raging Demon. The sheer intimidation of the instant super flash. The endless field of darkness. The hundreds of clones, which are still Akuma tbf but they show up as shadows, almost as if the spirit of the Satsui no Hado itself is fighting alongside you. The pose. Akuma does a speech if it’ll kill, which STILL happens for avatars: "Usurp the heavens, embrace the sorrow, become the demon!" THE GODDAMN POSE! I’m ranting, but I do have to rate it fairly. 100/10