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You have probably seen a phenomenon in online poker forums: a user posts a hand where they make a loose call preflop, find themselves facing a tough decision postflop and ask for advice. The top comments are simply "fold pre." What is going on and why do you need to fold pre?

1) Good preflop decisions make postflop straightforward.

Most postflop mistakes are set up before the flop. If you are playing the right hands then you will be in a solid position postflop. If you play the wrong hands (especially if you are calling with too many weak hands) you will be in a world of difficulty postflop with your marginal holdings.

When you are still getting to grips with postflop play, hands like top pair with a good kicker, an overpair, or a set are very forgiving. You know roughly where you stand and will often have a strong value hand you can confidently bet. When you completely miss, e.g. AKss on T97hhh, it is easy to check fold. You will still make mistakes, but can nevertheless be a winning player because you have a massive advantage by playing stronger hands than your opponents.

What you really want to avoid is situations where you have a marginal hand like weak top pair or a weak draw facing aggression. This is where players bleed money.

2) The rake at low stakes discourages wide play.

Rake matters a lot more at low stakes than most beginners realise. At higher stakes the rake is a rounding error. At 1/2 it is a constant tax on every pot you play and it falls hardest on small pots, which are exactly the pots that wide passive players create by limping in with speculative hands.

If you are playing 40% of hands and regularly seeing multiway limped flops, a significant portion of your poker activity is happening in the worst possible rake conditions. You are not just playing marginally profitable hands, you are playing them in an environment specifically designed to make marginal plays unprofitable.

The tighter you play and the more you build pots with your strongest hands, the less the rake hurts you. You are paying it in fewer pots and winning a bigger share of the ones you do play.

3) In multiway pots, marginal hands are a mirage.

When six people see the flop (not unknown in live 1/2 games) the hand strength needed to put chips in rises enormously compared to heads up pots.

Weak offsuit aces, unsuited connectors and suited gappers like A6o, 98o and 95s play extremely poorly in multiway spots because they will often flop marginal pairs or dominated draws. You will face tough decisions with weak pairs, and sometimes make a straight or flush that is dead to a higher straight or flush.

Hands like pocket pairs and suited aces play well multiway because they can make nutted hands like sets and nut flushes that will rarely be dominated and can win big pots.

But everyone else is loose and bad at poker. Can I not just play loose as well?

Everyone else is losing so if you imitate their playing style you will see similar results. The optimal strategy in poker is generally not copying people who are making mistakes. Your opponents who play 66% of hands in a full ring game are not winning players. The correct response to wide passive opponents is to tighten up, wait for strong hands and value bet aggressively.

As you improve and develop your postflop skills you can start to open up your range, particularly in position against recreational players who are going to pay you off when you hit and give up easily when they miss. But that is a later conversation. Get the fundamentals right first.

If you want a clearer picture of which hands are actually profitable to play from each position, and why certain spots go wrong postflop, QuintAce.ai breaks this down in detail. Introduction to the platform here: https://quintace.ai/blog/quintace/what-is-quintace-a-complete-guide-to-the-platform

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u/OfficialQuintAce — 9 days ago

One of the most common complaints heard at low stakes live games is that an opponent called down with a very weak hand and won. Some players will even complain "it's impossible to beat someone who never folds!" This is completely inaccurate: loose passive calling stations who call almost every hand are the easiest opponent type to beat. There are some fairly simple adjustments that will allow you to crush these players consistently.

1) Value bet bigger and thinner.

If villain calls every hand, bet big when you have a strong hand. If you would normally bet 33% or 50% pot with your top pair, consider betting pot or even overbetting against the calling station. If you think you have coolered your opponent then you want to play for stacks, even if this means overbetting 5x the pot. If you have a medium strength hand like top pair weak kicker or 2nd pair, you can still bet aggressively if you believe villain will call with as weak as bottom pair or ace high.

Never make the mistake of slow playing, betting small to induce, or hoping that your passive villain will do the betting for you. They will rarely show aggression themselves but will call large bets with all kinds of nonsense. If you think you are ahead, bet. If you never value bet and get called by better hands, you are not value betting thinly enough.

2) Stop bluffing.

Calling stations do not fold. Every bluff is just money leaving your stack, and the bigger and more elaborate the bluff the more it costs you. It feels wrong to take bluffing off the table because aggression is usually rewarded in poker, but against this player type it is just not a profitable play. Stop bluffing them and put that aggression into value betting instead.

3) Fold when they show aggression.

Loose passive players will very rarely show aggression unless they have a very strong hand. When you face aggression, especially in the form of turn and river raises, they will almost exclusively show up with extremely nutted hands. Be aware that they might show up with surprising value hands on the turn / river after making very light calls preflop or on the flop. If villain's raise makes little sense but you know they never bluff raise, they will likely show up with a nutted hand they played poorly on earlier streets.

4) Mentally prepare to lose to absurd hands sometimes.

They will suck out on you. Someone calling three streets with bottom pair is going to hit their two outer sometimes and it is going to feel deeply unfair. It is not. That same player making those same calls over thousands of hands is a losing player and you are on the right side of it in the long run.

The players who really suffer against calling stations are those who start tilting, bluff more to try to punish them, or start calling too much themselves. That is how you turn the most profitable player type at the table into someone who is actually costing you money. The calling station is only a problem when you let them change how you play.

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u/OfficialQuintAce — 8 days ago