r/PsycheOrSike

All of the fucking inceI losers on the internet always keep saying "oofy doofy" all of the time is this for a reason or are they just retarded?

I'd like to start by saying, I don't think this changes the right thing to do, for health reasons. Rather, my point is how things are seen. I think there are some things which people greatly exaggerate because most people won't do the healthy thing unless "not only is it good for you, it's pleasant", whenever the truth is, "It might not be pleasant, but it's good for you."

I guess, I've heard a lot this idea that "Vaginas are self cleaning". Obviously, people shouldn't use product on themselves where it's unhealthy, and the internal bit obviously would be, and somewhat even the outer bit. But the truth is, that doesn't make it clean. A lot of the focus people direct to is about "bacteria" or "yeast". And at best, physical material would be shifted along the walls, but it isn't actually leaving the body. And it says nothing about the timeline of it. "How long does it take to clean"? If we want to say it's reasonably sanitary in a bacterial sense, sure, but that isn't really the concern.

I've seen the mouth comparison, but that's why we use things like mouthwash and toothpaste and toothbrushes, and rinsing out with water. We don't just leave mouth bacteria to be cultivated freely. Different environment, but my point is that it isn't a fair comparison. Or the nose. It produces snot to clean, but that doesn't mean it itself is clean because the snot is still carrying the stuff. Or ears technically self clean, but the earwax just sits in there. (I don't know, I seem to have solid earwax, which isn't universal I know, but it means stuff just sits in there sometimes, and it's not like I can afford to have it cleaned professionally anymore.) I would not consider ears clean just because they are self cleaning, because the wax, and whatever was in there, it's just inside the wax. And for both of the above, it's captured, but then it isn't automatically disposed of. It either sits in there for both if it's more solid (which it often is), or it has to be taken out, or it will build up around the entrance/exit.

There's multiple types of cleanliness. There's "you won't get sick", and there's "This doesn't have things you would experience as gross". I could treat dirt with a laser or alcohol such that all of the organic material in it was killed, but it would still be gross to sprinkle it over food. Or same with hair.

I had an experience with my first girlfriend (going down on her), where she had a decent amount of specks of dried blood down there pretty much the few times I tried, and it just made things unpleasant. But just because it is self cleaning in a bacterial sense doesn't mean it's clean. I would not call a food surface with specks of blood clean, just because all of the bacteria were killed off using something like alcohol. That doesn't mean it should be cleaned manually, that wouldn't be healthy. But it's worth noticing, and it felt like any mention of it making me uncomfortable was shut down because she would just say "It's self cleaning". Similar to things like body hair. It can be both healthiest to keep some significant amount, and gross (I think body hair is gross on both genders, to be clear, not about masculinity or femininity. Hair is just so gross, and is one of the big reasons I find the idea of masculinity disgusting in general, even in myself, either for myself or others). But it serves a purpose. So there isn't a pleasant answer.

Humans are just so grotesquely biological. People can't seem to grasp how disgusting we are. I don't know if people don't see, or people don't care. We literally cannot be healthy in a clean state. Even constantly cleaning off our skin isn't healthy for us, our mouths need bacteria, our noses and ears accumulate grotesque material. It's horrifying to me. Honestly, I feel like I would like to transfer my brain into a synthetic body someday, just to no longer have to deal with the grotesque reality of having to live in this broken rotting corpse I call my flesh, with it's messed up eyes and ears and immune system, but even just the hair and the sweat, and excretions, and fluids, the grubbiness, and everything else. Maybe the only dirty thing would be my brain, but better just one thing than everything. It's awful.

(Part of why I went into data/computers, because data structures are one of the only things that can be actually clean, because it doesn't need to be real, even if the attached data needs to map to something in real life. It can be perfect and pure in a way real life will always have biology or dust in the way. Logic and math as well, where it's just the pure numbers and rules without any of the messiness of the real world)

My point isn't that we should prioritize pleasantness over health, I'm just tired of the fact that people want to pretend the unpleasantness isn't true because some people won't actually do what's healthy unless we pretend the healthy is always pleasant, and it makes it impossible to have a conversation about things when people pretend otherwise. We have to be able to acknowledge that things won't be "good", and life isn't fair. Be it the distribution of things like intelligence compared to strength, or attractiveness. We aren't automatically good at one thing because we are bad at another. Just because something is healthy doesn't mean it leads to a pleasant outcome, and it needs to be prioritized regardless.

It happens with moral things too, "Not only is this the moral option, it leads to the best outcome", or "This is correct, and it just so happens to make everyone happiest", when the truth is, it often doesn't. There often isn't a good answer or right result. There may not really be enough labor, the genders might be fundamentally different, suffering is inevitable, people are innately greedy because it maximizes amount of reproduction, so even if they aren't now, any system lasting long enough will eventually be broken by the same, without some other morally reprehensible act. People can't acknowledge that "A is true, but B is still moral regardless, even though it will lead to my or others suffering" (for political things) or "C is healthy, but will be gross, regardless for the good of my body I have to do C".

Please don't read this as me trying to encourage people to do the unhealthy thing, I'm just sick of the packaging, where things have to be good in every way. And if you got to this point, thanks for reading my ramble and letting me be a bit "mask off" with mental issues for a bit.