r/PeakyBlinders

I know a lot of you are team Lizzie… So please go easy on me. I’m team Grace all the way and this episode when lizzie tells Tommy that she’s knocked up… Man oh man he is so cold! even offers to get her an abortion! How can anyone be team Lizzie? He seems like he was never interested in her and wanted her to end it. Does this change later? Does he end up loving her or does he get stuck with her. It just seems like he gets stuck with her because of the pregnancy?

I think The Immortal Man had terrible writing, and it's like they just didn't care about the fans. It was very Game of Thrones final-like, and I can't understand why they couldn't make a better effort.

Therefore, I give you my perfect alternative The Immortal Man story:

Season 6 basically ended with Tommy being unable to overpower Edward Mosley or the Billy Boys. Unable to get revenge. Tommy was defeated for the very first time!

So the natural plot, what we all wanted, was for him to get revenge.

So check it out, Mosley is based on a real historical person, so, he can't get killed by Tommy. So, how do we proceed?

Also, Paul Anderson, the actor that plays Arthur, had deep drug and legal problems and was written off The Immortal Man movie.

But in my alternative universe, the studios do whatever they can to bring him to the film. His case can't be as bad as Edward Furlong's case.

Or if not, then just pay him to digitally place his face on another actor and make the scene brief.

Worst case scenario, just get an actor that looks like him and don't show his face.

So, he's drunk or drugged in a bar or somewhere, and the Billy Boys pay him a visit and kill him when he's defenseless. Maybe he puts on a fight and kills one of the Billy Boys before going down. This probably happens at night. If you can't get Paul Anderson back, maybe have Arthur killed cowardly from the back, and get it over with.

Now Tommy has a stronger reason to come back, because those of his family that are still alive, are now under real danger from the Billy Boys who want to take over The Peaky Blinder's business.

Make a worthy funeral for Arthur, and Tommy now wanting revenge and to protect his kind, gets back to action.

Ada and Lizzy are in the film, and they survive, but there are attempts by the Billy Boys to kill them.

Now we get a scene where we finally meet Billy, the leader of the Billy Boys. Get a good actor to play him. Have him talking about how Mosley wants to bring fake money coming from Germany and they're gonna help him doing so and make millions. --Yes, this alternative plot is using something from the actual movie plot.

Now have Duke all grown up, but don't have Barry Keoghan playing him. Instead, use the same actor as before: Conrad Khan, and don't give him daddy issues. He's as serious and mature as he was in the series, and he's going to be helping Tommy.

So they device a plan where they get all fake money destroyed and The Billy Boys killed. And have Duke facing Edward Mosley, making him fall into a trap, and the British authorities arresting Mosley. Maybe even have Winston Churchill again in the series congratulating Duke and thanking the Peaky Blinders.

And then, maybe have Billy, the leader of the Billy Boys killing Tommy, while driving the car, the same way as it happened in The Immortal Man, and Tommy killing him at the same time, because, just like in the actual film, Tommy wanted to die.

And so we have the same final scene with Tommy telling Duke that he's now the leader of the Peaky Blinders. Don't get Duke to shoot him. Tommy just dies from the gun wounds, and then keep Tommy's funeral the same, with the Wren song and the pretty cinematography. All the same, which was the only good thing about The Immortal Man.

And that's it, then if they continue the series with Duke, it will make sense and Duke will continue being a cool character that inherited Tommy's traits. Instead of being a bipolar, teen-like, daddy issues wuss as portrayed by Barry Keoghan (Don't get me wrong, I like Barry, but they ruined the character).

What do you think?

In retrospective. How do you feel about S6 now? We are now 4 years on from the final series of PEAKY, how do you look back at the story & character decisions, writing choices, directing, and the finale to a lot of the main characters now? How often have you rewatched it? Where does it rank with the rest of the seasons? Standouts & low points? Missed opportunities or things you felt fulfilled? Unfinished plots or unanswered storylines you still cared about right up until IMMORTAL MAN?

I think a lot of people had waited to see IMMORTAL MAN to be able to properly judge S6 and the end of Tommy's story. And a lot of people weren't happy with either. But what do you think?

I have a lot of issues with season 4. First, Luca Changaretta feels like a follow up villain to Billy Kimber, not the Russians. Second, the more I rewatch, the more angry I get at how they just tossed Michael aside because he wasn't forthcoming with Tommy Almighty. Like, he was protecting his mother. WHO WAS IN ON IT. If I were Michael, I think I'd be more pissed at them than they are at him. Like fuck them. Michael would have made such a great successor to Tommy without sacrificing the quality of the storyline. I hate where I know this is going, and for that reason, it's making me fearful I'll not enjoy the movie. I've avoided spoilers of the movie, but I'm already predisposed in my feelings. I hope it's better than I'm thinking it's going to be.

DONALD JOHN TRUMP JUST SHOWN THE ANTI-BLINDERS BILL TO CONGRESS, WHICH WILL DESTROY PAUL ANDERSON (ARTHUR SHELBY) AND CILLIAN MURPHY (TOMMY SHELBY).

Really the unsung glue that held the gang together. The most competent and trustworthy henchmen (affectionate) a gang boss could ask for. Faithfully served the Shelbys through 20 years of ambition, betrayal, and infighting. While the Shelbys planned their high-level strategies and were the target of all enemy attention, these guys executed the plans that needed doing. And they were treated well and fairly, and never thrown away like disposable minions.

He had multiple relationships but it always felt complicated. Like love was there but never simple or peaceful. Do you think he ever truly loved someone or was it always mixed with something else?

First of all, I want to say the movie it self as a film was very good. But as an ending to those beautiful six seasons, it was the worst thing I have ever seen in my life. The plot is so forced and has practically no correlation with the season 6 ending at all.

In the ending of season 6, Tommy obviously finds out about the conspiracy against him and he "comes back from the dead", even though he never did kill himself. It was perfectly bound for him to re-enter the political world and plot his revenge, or rather continue with his undermining of the Nazis and the IRA. Especially because of all the buildup for multiple seasons slowly showing that the Mosley situation runs deeper and deeper to the level where actions could completely change the direction of the world. And then for the "epic" finale (the movie), it is all dropped and not even mentioned. Jack Nelson slowly showing to become more dangerous and an amazing villain in the show, also. Just gone in the movie.

Ada, who we have been with for six seasons and who has had such a big role in Tommy's life, getting killed by some random man who was introduced less than an hour ago, is so stupid.

And also, the death of Tommy Shelby. What the hell was that? He set up the whole plan and of all the ways he could think of killing Beckett, he chose to shoot him in a moving car? And why did he freeze?

The whole idea of a random new character coming in and killing a major character (Ada), and also being the one to (technically) kill Tommy, is so stupid from a plot perspective. Again, the movie itself is good on it's own as I said, but so many times through the movie did I think to myself, "six seasons built up, for this?" Tommy's death should have been either by himself or by Arthur, no one else would be suited to kill him if you follow the plot of the six seasons.

Maybe I am seeing some things wrong and I would be happy for someone to make me understand certain things if you're disagreeing, rather than just downvoting me.

Years from now, let's say 10-20, how will PEAKY BLINDERS Cillian Murphy Lead Original Run, SERIES 1 - THE IMMORTAL MAN, be remembered? Story wise? Franchise wise? Impact wise? Cultural phenomenon wise?

What will be the favoured highs and lows? The standout? Rewatchability & cultural significance? Your prediction or current opinion.

Obviously we have the Jamie Bell lead sequel, but I'm talking the legacy of the original here

I for one, think it'll always be remembered & revered as one of the Greatest Shows of All Time, but certainly in Britain. Tommy Shelby has become the quintessential & stereotypical archetype for the word GANGSTER, up there with SCARFACE & THE GODFATHER. A major redefining of the British Working Class story, particularly in the inter-war years, and a real odyssey of character work. There was missed opportunities & some lacklustre stuff towards the end, for sure, but I think its an overwhelming positive legacy even if those missed opportunities do make you angry at 'what could've been'. Its impact on different generations' fashion & style, as well as music in TV and the writing style of the storytelling mean it has so many bases & can be covered in rememberance on so many different layers.

I haven’t heard this yet.

We all know the movie sucked. But what made me feel even more frustrated was seeing people cope by saying “well the show/movie couldn’t have included Mosley because he was eventually arrested.”

We’ve seen Peaky Blinders take crazy liberties on history before. So, what they COULD have done is show Tommy to be the one who ultimately orchestrates Mosley’s arrest (like be the behind the scenes guy who helped facilitate it), wrap up Jack Nelson better, and then through that he reveals the Tim Roth character as the boss character, and then pivot to that storyline. Simple move would have helped keep the last two seasons from being pointless.

Also, I’m not hearing this, but Duke’s mom was literally pointless. Like, didn’t make sense except as a vehicle to cast Rebecca Ferguson. Whatever.