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Harvard Professor says official messaging contradicts hantavirus science
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Harvard Professor says official messaging contradicts hantavirus science

Harvard Professor Contradicts Official CDC Messaging on Andes Virus Transmission

Professor Joseph Allen, an Exposure Assessment Scientist at Harvard University, is publicly challenging the official public health messaging around Andes hantavirus transmission — and he's backing it with published literature and first-hand accounts from the ship.

What officials are saying That transmission requires prolonged close contact and is very difficult to pass between people.

What the science actually says Allen went to the primary literature expecting to find support for that claim. He didn't find it. The best available paper on Andes transmission does not support the prolonged close contact requirement.

What happened on the ship Initial cases involved close contact with treating medical staff — expected. But subsequent cases occurred among passengers who only shared a dining room or lecture hall with no close physical contact. The ship's doctor contracted it and had to be evacuated.

The birthday party precedent In a prior land-based Andes outbreak, transmission occurred between people who briefly said hello in passing at a 90-minute gathering. People at separate tables got sick. One attendee later died and passed it to his wife at his funeral — she then transmitted it to ten other people.

His bottom line Overall public risk remains low and this is not a COVID-scale event. However people currently in quarantine need accurate transmission information because if they believe only intense close contact matters, they will inadvertently create secondary transmission chains within their own households.

Ventilation and air filtration are relevant if airborne spread is confirmed — same principles that applied during COVID.

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u/cybersphere9 — 2 days ago
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Don't get hanta virus

I'm over in the western US and I got hanta about 4 weeks back (contracted 5.5 weeks back)

It's a really bad time. I was wearing a mask on a jobsite and flipped a large cabinet and launched mouse shit everywhere. I went to my doctor as soon as I had symptoms, and he told me about his last hanta patient. Apparently the guy went to the er and had to be tested 3 times before they got a positive. Each test cost $1500 and was not covered by his insurance.

Just be careful out there, it's the gnarliest sickness I've ever had and I'm still having after effects 4 weeks after onset of symptoms. My nose has put out 3 different colors consistently, my cuts won't heal, my spine and ribs feel like they're ripping themselves out and my lungs may be permanently damaged.

I don't wish hantavirus on anyone. Stay safe.

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u/Interesting_Neck609 — 2 days ago
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I definitely didn’t have a hantavirus outbreak on a cruise ship on my 2026 infectious disease bingo board, but at least I get to turn a previous paper from grad school into something possibly useful for the public . The MV Hondius is a Dutch-flagged polar exploration vessel currently floating in Cabo Verde, an archipelago sitting off the coast of Senegal and Gambia. The ship had started in Ushuaia, Argentina on March 20^(th), but as of today we have lab-confirmation of hantavirus in at least one individual. Three passengers are dead with a 69-year-old British man in intensive care in Johannesburg. The thing is, hantavirus on a cruise ship is genuinely unusual, so let’s go over what the underlying epidemiology says might be going on aboard that ship.

The first fatality on the Hondius was a 70-year-old man who died of hemorrhagic fever aboard the ship (EDIT: this may not have been true hemorrhagic fever but a hemorrhagic pulmonary syndrome and the two often get conflated and then parroted by people like me trying to also report on the topic, more information is needed); his wife was evacuated to Johannesburg where she passed as well. The third death happened on the vessel itself, but details are still a bit murky. Two additional symptomatic individuals have been identified as crew (we’ll get to what that might mean). We’ve got at least 6 people affected, three of whom are dead. While we’re still in the “denominator problem” stage of this outbreak, not knowing how many people have been infected just not as severely or completely asymptomatically, that corresponds to a 50% fatality rate among those who have experienced symptoms so far. I assume that number will shift toward the lower end as things get investigated and milder cases are identified.

The main question the outbreak is how the rodent-borne virus got on the cruise ship. Rats on ships is not a new problem with regards to infectious disease outbreaks with countless examples from history (The Black Death and The Justinian Plague coming to mind).

Hantaviruses are a group of viruses with members across the world within the Hantaviridae family found in rodent hosts. The viruses co-exist with their rodent populations without causing major health problems in their hosts. It is when spillover occurs into humans that they can lead to severe and often fatal diseases. People typically catch it through the inhalation of aerosolized particles from rodent urine, feces, or saliva, something not uncommon when cleaning a shed, sweeping a barn, or working in fields. So while a cruise ship isn’t exactly the exposure pattern one would first think of, it’s not that abnormal either. The ship left Patagonia, well within the range of the ANDV hanta-variant carrying long-tailed pygmy rice rat and other possible carrier species in the area. It wouldn’t be weird for a couple of rodents to scurry their way into the bottom levels of a cruise ship while supplies for the planned journey are being loaded. Once aboard, the enclosed, climate controlled environment becomes a nice place for spreading aerosolized viral particles that would then be found in storage areas, supply closets, ventilation ducks, and the service compartments below deck where rodents could go unnoticed. The additional symptomatic individuals being crew makes me think this could be the case, but I’d need to see more skew toward crew being infected vs passengers, which I don’t think is the case yet. However it got on board, people have been infected and viral sequencing is underway in the labs which should help clarify which specific hantavirus strain we’re dealing with here.

Here’s the part that really worries infectious disease researchers and medical professionals working in the realm of ANDV. Most hantaviruses can’t spread from person-to-person. The major exception seems to be ANDV, which can go from person-to-person through contact with infected bodily fluids, with transmission being most likely during the prodromal phase or shortly after that has ended. Mortality rates are estimated at between 40-50% and there’s no specific anti-viral treatment or vaccine for it, care being supportive in nature with oxygen, fluids, and ventilation for severe cases that advance to Hanta Pulmonary Syndrome.

So, if sequencing confirms ANDV the containment methods needed change pretty drastically with the need for respiratory isolation of cases, rigorous contact tracing of all 170 passengers and 70 crew, monitoring for secondary transmission chains, and the hopeful removal of future sources of aerosolized rodent excreta. If we find out it’s a different variant like the Seoul virus that brown rats carry, the risk of person-to-person contact is much more negligible. We’ll see what happens in the coming weeks.

What to watch out for

Over the coming days and weeks I’ll update as new information comes out. Some things to look out for will be the sequencing results to determine ANDV vs a less problematic strain. I’ll be curious to see if we see more cases among the crew popping up as well, given they work in the areas where rodent excrement would be found more often. I’m also wondering what the temporal distribution of cases looks like. I haven’t been able to find anything on that yet, but were they clustered closely in time or spread out across days to weeks (the 1-5 week incubation period makes this question much more difficult to answer as well). We’ll also see if the ship’s own investigation finds any evidence of the rodents themselves, either bodies, nests, or droppings; I assume this has to be a major focus.

u/Lonely_Lemur — 10 days ago
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This is pretty much the second play-through of plague inc, covid was the first.

There playing on casual mode now, we are still weak from covid, and wars happening, we are as close as possible to die, I say as soon as it gets to your country,

live and let die ask out your crush, buy a yacht, smoke drink steal we are fucking screwed

u/Chemical_Ad4252 — 7 days ago
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i’ve seen a lot going around and people are starting to say another lock down, what’s the chances of that happening? honestly yk i wouldn’t mind a REAL 2 week break but not another lockdown, but i also heard that this has been around for awhile why is this sudden case causing “covid 2.0”?

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u/Prudent_Strain_1265 — 6 days ago