r/OnePieceScaling

1- Post-Wano Ulti's Superiority

Post-Wano Ulti is definitely stronger and possesses better Haki than the Ulti who survived and regenerated after an attack from Maser Saber, as she was much more injured and her Haki naturally increased.

An Ulti who excelled in a confrontation with Luffy using basic Haoshoku.

2- Scale Comparison Between Luffy in Ulti's Complete Zoan Form and Luffy in his Base Form.

Luffy starts in his base form against Ulti's Complete Zoan Form and considers using Gear 4,

he cannot break free from Ulti's casual grip, which requires no effort.

This puts her, at the very least, above Luffy's base form with basic internal Haki.

In his base form, Luffy exchanged direct blows with Katakuri (unlike common confrontations, where a blow to the face equates to an equivalent physical confrontation).

Ulti was simply caught off guard and neutralized by Luffy, who then began to sweat with fear, unable to move,While Ulti made no effort in its full Zoan form, it's simply impressive, given that the hybrid form is the strongest.

3-Ulti's Scale to Gear Second and Gear Third.

・"ダメだギア4" is a Japanese phrase that can be translated into English as "No way, Gear 4" or "Gear 4 won't work," in the context of One Piece.

Details of the Gears and Ulti's Resistance

Gear Second: base form and enhanced by Moria, 30 times faster than the base form.

Ulti would handle this even with Ryou's advanced internal attacks.

Gear Third: same logic in attack power.

Luffy thought that, with internal damage and advanced weaponry, he wouldn't be able to defeat Ulti, stating that he would need Gear 4.

4- Shadow Multipliers (Luffy vs. Moria)

Lola's and the characters' statement: 100 shadows make Luffy "several times" stronger (at least 2x).

Moria has 10 times more shadows than Luffy with 100 (10 times stronger than Luffy with 100 shadows).

Base Moria > Base Luffy, the shadows increase overall combat power.

Calculation: 2x (100 shadows) x 10 (Moria) = 20x.

5-Gear 4 and Ulti Limits

Gear 4 has a quote of "many/several" (encompassing 2x): 20x base x 2 = 40x (without internal Haki).

- Ulti's complete Zoan form goes beyond what Luffy says he would definitely need Gear 4 for, but he isn't terrified (it's possible to handle her in that state).

- Despite being surprised and sweating, he was sure he wouldn't be able to handle her in Gear Second, or at least thought it would be a fierce fight.

- Lola understands Luffy's powers and shadows: 3x guaranteed.

- Moria got the strongest shadows; Lola took them from weak zombies, since she didn't have the strength to take more like Brook's, and it doesn't make sense for Moria to get the weakest ones (900 identical shadows, some stronger).

6- Future Vision vs. Gears (Katakuri)

Katakuri, with his advanced observation, barely reacted to Snakeman's blows (only later, with frontal attacks).

-A single strike: a trap that exploited distance and the body's ability to change shape, which Luffy didn't expect it to happen.

Katakuri, with his advanced observation, barely reacted to Snakeman's blows (only later, with frontal attacks).

-A single blow: a trap that exploited distance and the body's shape-shifting, which Luffy didn't foresee; the fastest decisive attack compared to all others in the fight.

-Snakeman's multiplier >>>> Future Sight

> Gear Second in speed.

-The Gears enter the scene with speed/strength, changing particularities,

-but logically, still containing the same superior speed multiplier.

-Since Katakuri couldn't react to Snakeman's body shape-shifting, only to normal frontal attacks.

Conclusion of Scale 7: Ulti vs. Katakuri

Casual Ulti in his complete form > Base Katakuri without Advanced Observation Haki.

The hybrid form is stronger than the complete Zoan form.

Ulti became stronger after Wano with Haki (she withstood all types of attacks + Youkou in her hybrid form).

Law and Luffy in Gear 4 are quickly defeated by Zeus (weaker than Hera); Ulti is not, as she senses the attack coming.

Law and Luffy in Gear 4 are quickly defeated by Zeus (weaker than Hera); Ulti isn't, as she senses the incoming attack.

Big Mom casually defeats Kid, but not Ulti, even though she's furious.

Ulti outside of Wano >>> Katakuri with Advanced Observation Haki activated, but they are comparable.

It was good to use them as a comparison for the discussion (joke or not).

I did this mainly because of the discussion about which one is stronger.

Katakuri has more range and, unlike the Ulti form, which is hypothetical, Katakuri with Advanced Observation Haki actually fought against Gear 4 Snakeman Luffy.

He has the awakening and more versatility.

However, his Ultimate form has more attack power and durability.

His Haki is comparable.

In short, with all this about the Wano Ultimate form,

How strong do you think he is after Wano?

I think Ultimate Ulti after Wano is stronger than Jack.

Ulti, after Wano, is stronger than Jack in most scenarios. Here's why, quick and direct:

1- Direct Comparison of Feats.

Durability/Regeneration: Ulti withstands Big Mom's Maser Saber (full Youkou form).

He regenerates and comes back stronger with Haki-up.

Jack? He withstood Inuarashi once (before using his powers), but is defeated and fails on Onigashima.

Even in Japanese, "ulti" indicates that Yamato's Conqueror's Haki has half the strength of Kaido's Bagua.

Confrontations: Ulti faces Luffy's Haoshoku + advanced Ryou form (making him think of Gear 4). Jack loses to Luffy in his base form after Wano effortlessly.

Haki and Speed: Ulti reacts to Zeus (pre-Gear 4/Law Luffy in lightning attack), but cannot withstand a casual lightning attack from Big Mom.

Jack is incredibly slow, losing to the speed of the Sulong Minks.

Her Haki evolves after Wano (survives everything and levels up), Jack stagnates as a "lower-level All-Star".

Context Arc

Jack is the weakest of the confirmed All-Stars, Ulti (Flying Six) excels through confrontations with Luffy/Katakuri > Jack's best (against the Minks).

Ulti > Jack, but not by an absurd margin (like 2-3 times, not an overwhelming victory).

Comparing her to Whos Whos doesn't make sense,

Comparing her to Jack does make sense.

Ulti is definitely the strongest Tobiroppo.

Whos Whos was devastated by a Jinbe with medium difficulty, at most.

While Ulti took a serious hit from Big Mom and regenerated.

Furthermore, she took repeated blows from Zeus, which affected all the Supernovas and defeated some with a single hit.

Even the speed of Big Mom's Hommes is something Ulti managed to perceive, but Whos Whos would be defeated with a single blow.

She was only imprisoned later, probably because Page One and Whos Whos were more numerous.

This fight, if not pure cowardice, may even have strengthened her.

She became Yamato's right-hand woman and will fight alongside her in the final war.

This is, at the very least, a significant narrative upgrade.

How much stronger is she post-Wano?

Ik we seen a crazy casual attack from Loki like “thorheim”

But I feel like it oda should have been more busted/creative with its ability

We where given Lokis fruit hype before we even saw loki and that it’s world ending or that its absolutely is legendary

And then we get the reveal and it’s just a big ass western version of kaido devil fruit that has even less abilities

Like all we know so far is that it can spit out lightning and that it’s huge af and can fly,awesome.

I expected a cool esoteric main ability followed up with even more busted shit like elemental control or logia like tendencies.

I hope I get proven wrong and we still haven’t seen Loki do a lot with his fruit yet as we haven’t seen his hybrid form but so far even Kaidos fruit which wasn’t given anywhere near the same hype as Lokis has looked a lot grander in terms of abilities and production.