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To GSZ or not to GSZ? (nic fit)
Hello all!
I've recently been working a bit on a Nic Fit list with [[Eyetwitch]] as one of the main enablers, and I have some lists loosely based on the work of ThrabenU. Something I've noticed is that he notably omits [[Green Sun's Zenith]] completely, whereas many other lists do add it and it is of course historically an iconic card for the archetype. So, I made two versions that both seem somewhat optimized, one with and one without, and I wanted to ask the community if you think GSZ is a correct add here and which list looks best. And small bonus question: how viable do you think these lists or nic fit in general still are, especially given the [[Flow state]] meta shift towards tempo? I'm looking to probably take one of these lists to a qualifier but I'm not sure as I don't want to go 0-6. I'd love to hear feedback!
List with GSZ:
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7778930
List without GSZ:
Is energy a legitimate deck or just another deck from modern ported to legacy
I use to play a lot of legacy between the release of eternal masters up until ikoria. Played all flavors of blue decks and combo decks back when I still played legacy. Unfortunately I sold a lot of my collection back during COVID and no longer have my duals. I recently came back to magic but mostly just play modern energy. I’m wanting to dip my toes back into the format but am wary about spending any amount to play a deck that’s basically the modern eldrazi stompy deck from 2017.
Flow State Is Warping Legacy Already
Legacy has a new card everyone is talking about: Flow State.
In Episode 113, we discuss:
Why the card is immediately impacting the format
Comparisons to Expressive Iteration
Blue Red and Blue Black shell updates
Doomsday upgrades
Whether the card could become a long-term problem
Is this the start of another blue arms race?
New Cephalid Breakfast brew with no shuko / saga, just good cards [YouTube league video]
Aside from Nadu, Cephalid Breakfast hasn't changed much as a deck in the past 5 years since Urza's Saga was printed. Well that changes today. I bring you: Breakfast Control!
This is essentially an Esper Control deck with 12 Breakfast combo cards squeezed into it:
-4 Cephalid Illusionist
-4 Nomads En-Kor
-2 Narcomoeba
-1 Thassa's Oracle
-1 Dread Return
Instead of winning through combat, we can win as early as turn 2 with the combo.
In this league I demonstrate how this simple A+B combo deck is enabled by two heavily bannable cards: Flow State and Tamiyo.
I beat a LOT of hate in this league. I hope you enjoy watching the flexibility of this little combo that could!
Decklist: https://moxfield.com/decks/lHSLjgwdRU...
Undefeated Dimir Tempo Nethergoyf Flow State League (10-0 Games)
- 0:00:00 M1 vs faultedform on Oops
- 0:05:52 M2 vs VaeterchenRost on Aluren Show
- 0:18:23 M3 vs waraipt on BUG Witherbloom
- 0:46:51 M4 vs KlausiK on UB Midrange (Barrowgoyf main)
- 1:02:59 M5 vs JackieBrown on UR Tempo
Happy with the list, 73/75 ecobaronen UB Nethergoyf 2 Daze 1 Brazen main, 4 Consign SB but +1 Ponder -1 Thoughtseize for the UR Matchup mostly and because I feel it's more consistent. The UB Tempo Guide at https://kirdiemtg.de now also has a sideboard map by the way.
0:00:00 M1 vs faultedform on Oops
I kept a Wasteland only hand with Force because I know they always play Oops, they ran into my Force and conceded without seeing that I have no land. Sideboardwise I really like the mapping with -5 removal -3 Bowmasters +4 Consign +2 Surgical +2 FoN because I don't need to bring in Hydroblast as a pitch anymore. M1G2 I kept another Wasteland only hand with double force, they thoughtseized away FoW Nr. 1 and surprised me with a Xantid Swarm which I had to spend the second FoW on. Keep in Snuff vs Xantid? I drew Basic Island and he didn't combo then so I could just play Tamiyo + flip quickly. He played Jack-o-lantern so I didn't downtick Tamiyo but they cycled it in desparation to find a combo piece and then tamiyo was free again to pick up countermagic and discard and they conceded.
0:05:52 M2 vs VaeterchenRost on Aluren Show
I misclicked a Thoughtseize on one of the two Aceraks because I just intended to read the dungeon of it and thought rightclick + "Pick that" would show me the dungeon but at least my single Push was now live in case of Aluren. Fortunately Bowmasters + Tamiyo + double Wasteland was enough to find countermagic against Show and tell and win. Sideboarding wise I went with +2 FoN -2 Snuff -1 Push +1 Edict but I wasn't sure about the Push/Edict split regarding Revolt vs 1 mana more. M2G2 mishra's bauble saw needle on top and they went for T1 City of Traitors so I went for T1 Wasteland before the needle could name it. That got named T2 and then Tamyio could roam free. He played basic forest and Carpet of Flowers which I forced and then he conceded soon after with me having bowmasters as well.
0:18:23 M3 vs waraipt on BUG Witherbloom
Went slow and always kept up multiple removal spells with an active tamiyo and won. I wasn't sure if they are on some graveyard juke so I boarded in a single Surgical as a hedge and always shuffled it away when I saw it. In hindsight I should probably have kept some Bowmasters in as they played cantrips, not sure what the perfect boarding looks like here.
-2 Snuff (their creatures are black) +2 Edict -3 Bowmasters +2 FoN +1 Surgical
0:46:51 M4 vs KlausiK on UB Midrange (Barrowgoyf main)
I got really confused when they forced my Bauble, it turns out that was to turn on their Flow State. Managed to Daze a Barrowgoyf which they played instead of double wastelanding me out of my colored mana. Then I was free to Flow State and they conceced but it may have been correct by them because they had another Barrowgoyf in hand and I am on a smaller build with Nethergoyf where I don't need as much mana. Default sideboarding: -4 Fow +2 Barrow +2 Edict, I like having only 3 Thoughtseize main for this matchup. G2 was really scrappy but I beat them down with 2 nethergoyfs and wastelanded him just in time to prevent barrowgoyf stabilization.
1:02:59 M5 vs JackieBrown on UR Tempo
G1 OTD they had a very land heavy hand and I won with a single 5/6 Nethergoyf with us both having mostly lands otherwise. Sideboarding like we prepared for: -4 FoW -2 Seize (down to 1), +2 Barrow +2 Edict +2 Hydro. G2 ran T1 Hydroblast on DRC into Daze and then killed it T2 with Bowmasters. Game got still really close with Barrowgoyf vs double cutter. Missed lethal here where I could have pumped murktide to 12/12 using Nethergoyf from the grave. Nearly lost because of it as the cutter token brought me from 22 to 4 but then I swang back for lethal.
Maindeck
4 Nethergoyf 3 Orcish Bowmasters 4 Tamiyo, Inquisitive Student 4 Flow State 2 Murktide Regent
2 Daze 1 Brazen Borrower 4 Force of Will 4 Brainstorm 3 Fatal Push 2 Snuff Out
4 Ponder 3 Thoughtseize
2 Mishra's Bauble
4 Underground Sea 1 Island 1 Swamp 4 Polluted Delta 1 Bloodstained Mire 1 Verdant Catacombs 1 Scalding Tarn 1 Flooded Strand 4 Wasteland 1 Undercity Sewers
Sideboard
2 Barrowgoyf 2 Hydroblast 4 Consign to Memory 1 Massacre 2 Force of Negation 2 Sheoldred's Edict 2 Surgical Extraction
Legacy: Spoiler Highlight - Bilbo, Thief in the Night
During the Pro Tour Secrets of Strixhaven online broadcast, WotC revealed a few cards that will come out this year, and one definitely stood out! Bilbo, Thief in the Night should become quite popular in Legacy. Let's explore it!
Boros 8Screech featuring Hardened Academic
Hey all! I recently made this deck that I wanted to share:
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7772971
It's basically Boros Ocelot, but cutting some fat to make room for [[Hardened Academic]], [[battle screech]] and [[group project]]. I've not been able to test it much but I've felt that there are many great interactions between these cards, and especially the synergy with [[Ocelot pride]] can lead to some explosive turn 3's. I'm aware that this probably isn't as good as just running stock Boros, but it seems acceptable for FNM so I wanted to hear your opinions on it. For example: I have long debated [[Cori-steel cutter]] in the deck but I really don't know what to cut as the list seems a little tight. But it seems pretty good as it makes tokens for ocelot to copy, double-spelling and triggering prowess is much easier in this version than it is in the stock Ocelot lists, and the tokens are white so you can tap them to Battle screech. Another consideration is the new [[practiced offense]] card, but I'm worried it might be a bit too win-more. I'd love to hear your opinions and suggestions on the general deck too though!
I'm looking to make Amalia Combo in Legacy. Possible?
Hey fellow legacy enjoyers,
I'm looking to construct Amalia Combo in Legacy. This because I adored the deck in Pioneer, and with a spice cup coming up, I am quite interested in trying it out in legacy. I was initially thinking about maybe a sort of birthing ritual strategy, but other things might be possible too so I thought to post for tips here in the Reddit, see if anyone has card or deck type suggestions for me. Thanks in advance!
Yesterday 267 players gathered at Hareruya TC in Tokyo to play 9 Swiss rounds. After 3 single elimination rounds SneakShow piloted by Ryota Mizumura won the event.
The Top 16 decks were:
1 - UR Tempo
2 - Omnitell
3 - UR Tempo
4 - SneakShow
5 - Doomsday
6 - Ninjas
7 - UR Delver
8 - Lands
9 - Affinity
10 - Grixis Tempo
11 - Ninjas
12 - Tron
13 - Tron
14 - UB Tempo
15 - Lands
16 - Omnitell
Top8 deck lists: https://article.hareruyamtg.com/article/109323/
8-16 deck lists: https://article.hareruyamtg.com/article/109335/
Metagame breakdown: https://article.hareruyamtg.com/article/109282/
Looking at the metagame, it was mainly a mix of Combo, Tempo and Big Mana, with a few Aggro and Control decks on the side. The Top16 reflected that mix.
Ninjas overperformed, as 2 players made into the top 16, while only 5 players registered the deck.
Eldrazi underperformed, where none of the 11 registered players making into the Top 16. Probably it took collateral damage from all the hate players packed against Tron.
Later today Ryota will face Tatsuya Sakai, the current title holder to decide who will be crowned the 33rd God of Legacy.
NEW HIGH TIDE CARD! Mathemagics from Secrets of Strixhaven
► Decklist — https://links.theepicstorm.com/?c=La0q7ZI
I have idea for a jank green storm deck. Could y'all help me brew it?
I'm brewing a mono green storm deck
Deck so far:
Emerald Medallion 4
Concordant Crossroads 4 haste enabler
Aeve, Progenitor Ooze 4 win condition
Since I really love Serra's Sanctum and I kind of enjoy how Leyline of Sanctity and Leyline of the Void work together in the Oops matchup, I was trying to figure out a more resilient and flexible version of the Leylines deck. My idea was to make it playable without the Opalescence or Helm combo, and the first thing that came to my mind was the Ocelot Pride / Ajani cat package, mainly because of the token-boosting [[Leyline of the Meek]]. Then I found [[March of the Canonized]] and realized it works quite well with leylines. I was also considering [[Heliod, Sun-Crowned]], but ended up deciding 3 mana is a bit too high compared to the mentioned cats.
Here's a rough decklist: https://moxfield.com/decks/r05NRDFgv068jCIxvstwuQ
I'm looking for some general ideas and suggestions. Would you play Lotus Petal? Would you try adding the Crop Rotation package, or perhaps a Once Upon a Time? Let me know!
Cheers!
Doomsday Sideboard
I have not played legacy in years, just threw together a 60 for doomsday based on some goldfish lists, but have zero clue what to put in the board. I have my first event tonight, and am going to go out to secure some cards. Assuming I can find everything what should I pick up?
Hightide Discord
Checking to see if there are any hightide discords or groups that discuss versions, matches, and sideboard tech?
Long time homebrewer, decided to share a decklist for once and see what people think. Sadly outside of a brief tryout of MTGO with rented cards a couple years ago I haven't gotten to play legacy since covid since my local shop closed down for a solid three years and when we finally came back, FNM switched to Commander since that's mostly what anyone wants to play these days. Regardless though I don't play magic nearly as often or as competitively as I used to and I feel like I've gotten rusty over the years as metas have changed, new crazy cards are printed and format defining cards I used to play with/against all the time have been powercrept into irrelevance, and playing a lot of historic, brawl, and a bit of timeless on Arena I'm slapping decks together that, sure aren't meant to be super competitive or meant to be an easy climb to mythic, are still at least at first glance viable, but just end up getting crushed. And this is coming from me who played Legacy in a small but dedicated and diverse community from the casual kids playing intro decks to semi-pros playing the tier 1 net decks on top of brewers better at brewing than I am, and still pretty regularly winning FNMs with my janky brews. Anyway, I know this isn't about MTG Arena here, and despite my half decade absence, I'm still a legacy player at heart and am still most familiar with Legacy as a format even if today's meta is a bit foreign to me. So every once in awhile I brainstorm up some sort of cool janky idea, and then go peruse the current Legacy meta to see what the Legacy players are playing these days, to then building a list even if I might not have the cards on hand or the money to build the deck on the spot.
Anyway with the background out of the way idk, the deck idea here is just take the Dimir midrange deck built around Murktide Regent, make it Esper (my favorite color combination), and then make it a Yorion deck, because A. why not, and B. because I like brewing 80 card Yorion stacks. One glaring issue I see with the deck that I've been thinking about is the fact that there aren't a lot of good blink targets for Yorion here, and like I realize "why include Yorion increasing the deck size to 80 cards and thus decreasing the consistency of the deck just to have a big flyer that sometimes gets a good blink or two?". So what do you think of the list, and how are you Legacy players feeling about the format in current year? As a side note, I also built a normal 60 card version of the deck that's closer to the normal Dimir midrange deck just with a splash of white and some small modifications for personal preference because I'm not a net-decker. I can link it if anyone would like to see it.