r/LovecraftLovedMovies

Primarily this subreddit is to study the under-studied Lovecraftian influences of film 🎞️ and early cinema on the writer HP Lovecraft (1890-1937; by his admission, his first cinema experience was in 1906, at age 16).

HOWEVER.

This sub (which I launched and am primarily populating) is all about bringing things to light, and to add variety alongside the long excerpts from his letters, I’m featuring this creature that I originated.

Without getting into the nitty-gritty around Loras, which are sorta like filters you can attach to AI-art (but for things that range from costumes to scenery to specific character-Loras and even special effects ones), they are essential if you’re making real unique AI art 🖼️ with any depth to it.

But most of them are smutty, cuz internet and Rule 34 being flagrantly obvious 😂. So I saw several Loras involving tentacles 🦑 but without sayin more, there were NONE which could be regarded as Safe For Work.

So as a self-challenge, I set out to make a tentacles Lora which could be safe for wider viewing.

…….. which eventually led to this bizarre silly character.

SANTA CTHULHU

I hope he doesn’t blow your mind to the point of gobbling lunacy, but no money down no money back. He is as he is, in all his festive glory. 😁

u/GrandpaTheobaldus — 11 days ago
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Lovecraft REFUSED potential radio 📻 adaptations of his work (letter, c. 1933)

Interesting to the max: Lovecraft was actually offered the opportunity to have “The Dreams in the Witch-House” adapted for radio 📻, but clearly and emphatically rejects the idea of his work ever being adapted to radio or cinema 🎞️ because of how it would cheapen and vulgarize his visions.

Soooooo ………

He would be both horrified and (sporadically) impressed by how many people over the course of nearly a CENTURY have been attempting to adapt his creatures and finely-honed stories into other media.

What thinkest thou of this, dear Redditors?

Yr most humble obt svt,
L. Theobald the 3rd

u/GrandpaTheobaldus — 7 days ago
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Lovecraft eviscerates “The Image-Maker of Thebes” (1917, lost film)

As usual, Lovecraft speaks clearly for himself, but here’s some context:

He won $25 in 1917 (which was a LOT at that time) for a review lambasting a recent film 🎞️ — there was a ‘best review’ contest, and he wrote FOUR PAGES about what a slipshod piece of garbage it was.

Tragically, I cannot yet locate this review itself, but the outline of it pretty clearly dismisses the film as overrated, inaccurate, mawkish, and altogether dull.

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“Last week a local emporium of amusement known as Fay's Theatre offered a cash prize of $25.00 for the best essay or review concerning a "feature picture" displayed by them—a widely advertised picture entitled The Image-Maker of Thebes (Thanhouse Pathé release.)

Having something of a critical nature, I resolved to witness the great five-reel film spectacle, & to participate in the competition. The picture was even poorer than I expected—a rough-hewn amateurish affair dealing with reincarnation in a pitifully feeble & hackneyed manner, containing not the slightest subtlety or technical skill in plot, directing, or acting. It was a hopeless relic of the time-honoured
“10-20-30" melodrama.

I gave up all hope of winning the prize, since I thought nothing but a favourable critique would be acceptable; but in a spirit of semi-humour I sent the management a genuine criticism covering four typewritten pages—an essay in my customary U.A.P.A. manner—which would, in colloquial parlance, be designated as a "roast"!

Imagine, then, my surprise at receiving yesterday a cheque for $25.00 as winner of the prize—a cheque accompanied by a letter of exceedingly flattering nature!! Which goes to show that the best method of eliciting praise from a motion-picture exhibitor is to ridicule, satirise, & condemn the pictures he displays!!”

u/GrandpaTheobaldus — 5 days ago
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1934 deMille CLEOPATRA, inaccuracies noted by HP Lovecraft (letter to Robert Bloch)

CLEOPATRA (1934) informal review by HPL:

“Yes I did see the "Cleopatra" cinema, agree that it was a marvelously fine spectacle. The Roman architectural backgrounds gave me a mighty kick-for as I may have mentioned, I have a devotion to classical Rome which amounts virtually to a sense of personal identification.

Contrary to your expectation, the Egyptian settings caused me many a groan despite my admiration of their intrinsic beauty & impressiveness.

How come?

Why, simply because they didn't belong in the Greek city of Alexandria! As a moment's reflection will remind you, the Ptolemaic rulers of Egypt were Macedonian Greeks & nothing else but.

Alexandria was bult on previously unoccupied land in B.C. 332, at Alexander's orders & was laid out in the most sumptuous Greek fashion by the celebrated architect Dinocrates, who also repaired the damaged temple of Diana at Ephesus.

The court & army of the Ptolemies were Greek from start to finish—in language, costume, man. ners, & habits of thought; very few ideas being picked up from their native Egyptian subjects.

The folkways of the Egyptians were always respected, but were never copied. The Egyptians lived their own lives up the Nile, just as they had done in the days of their independence or under the Persian sa-traps-but Alexandria stayed purely Greek. Indeed, it soon became the virtual centre & intellectual capital of the Greek world.

There were, of course, many Egyptians in Alexandria—but they formed a subordinate element in a "native quarter" like the Chinese in Victoria, Hong-Kong, or the Hindoos in Calcutta.

To represent Cleopatra as an Egyptian queen in costume & setting is just as absurd as to represent a British viceroy of India in a rajah's turban & living in a Hindoo palace.

Alexandria & its ruling class were just as Greek as Athens or Corinth or Syracuse.

Hundreds of coins show the real appearance of Cleopatra—a Greek matron in coiffure & dress. If she ever put on Egyptian finery it was probably only once or twice a year to impress & flatter her subjects up the river.”

u/GrandpaTheobaldus — 5 days ago
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HPL Cinema Attendance, circa Feb 1935 — five named, one implicit

As Lovecraft puts it in this letter to J. Vernon Shea (Feb 10, 1935), his attendance in the past year has only been to shows which he was “dragged to” by hosts on various trips.

This fact has to do partly with his perpetual lack of funds, and chronic ill health. Not to mention his eccentric scorn for poorly played parts whether in stage drama 🎭 or the strange new phenomenon of the moving pictures 🎞️.

He was born in 1890, so his life actually tracks right alongside the growth of silent film and the cultural impacts of Hollywood on American audiences.

Here are some specific names, but also an unnamed film that he apparently snoozed 😴 through on a visit to the Longs (family of Frank Belknap Long, one of his closest friends via correspondence and IRL).

So the actual number of movies he watched can’t be nailed down precisely in any case. But from the surprisingly high list of NAMED FILMS 🎞️ , we are up to nearly or just past one hundred specific films he saw.

This is the reason for having a specific new subreddit to discuss his fascination with film in this manner. 🧐 Not just as trivia, “oh didja know that that weird horror guy Lovecraft was a fan of Charlie Chaplin?”, but naw, he was a serious moviegoer with strong opinions, and the literally thousands of letters he wrote contain an unknown number of additional comments.

Whether or not a specific film 🎞️ is named (like Pabst’s DON QUIXOTE in this passage), he gives us pointers and commentary on how cinema was influencing people to name their kids after movie stars. ✨ Stuff like that, which is valuable rare reportage from a time of film history which cannot be replicated. The actual contemporary reactions of an intelligent and nitpicky viewer from 1906 to 1937.

u/GrandpaTheobaldus — 9 days ago
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Lovecraft the Cinephile (1898-1937) 🍿🦑

Lesser-known but legacy-shifting discovery: the cosmic horror writer HP Lovecraft was in fact an avid moviegoer!

This is not just a matter of trivia, either.

Altogether, I’ve found over 100 specific film-titles in these letters; sometimes he mentions an actor rather than the particular moving pictures he saw them in, which is another job for epistolary archaeologists.

And although this post is a bit abstract, the example passages are extremely juicy for film historians.

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To J. Vernon Shea, Feb 4th, 1934

“I first saw a play at the age of 6. Later, when the cinema appeared as a separate institution (it had been part of Keith vaudeville since 1898 or 1899), I attended it often with other fellows, but never took it seriously.

By the time of the first cinema shows (March, 1906, in Providence) I knew too much of literature & drama not to recognise the utter & unrelieved hokum of the moving picture.

Still, I attended them—in the same spirit that I had read Nick Carter, Old King Brady, & Frank Reade in nickel-novel form. Escape—relaxation.

It was not till later that I got fed up & no longer enjoyed such mentally juvenile performances.

The earliest "stars" I remember (their names weren't given till about '07 or 08) are Maurice Costello, Henry Walthall, Florence Turner, Hobart Bosworth, &c.

.....I recall many faces, too, without the corresponding names.

I think the subsequently famous Mary Pickford didn't appear till '08 or so. Of stage stars I saw most of the celebrated figures of the late '90's & early 1900's, though I most unfortunately missed Sir Henry Irving.”

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In 1898, Lovecraft would have been about eight years old. This means that he was at an age where this newfangled phenomenon made an impression on his mind.

It’s not ‘screen-time’ in a modern sense, but his was the first generation of humanity to have some approximation of that experience.

Thoughts on this, gentles all?

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u/GrandpaTheobaldus — 2 days ago

Example of hateful garbage from HPL, for discussion purposes (HARSH but no slurs used)

For anyone who wants to talk about Lovecraft being a hateful racist, here’s a passage which doesn’t include direct slurs but clearly demonstrates the jaw-dropping extent of his biases and race-hatred.

Get it outta your system or don’t 🤷‍♂️

I’m Jewish, and am capable of separating the things he says about “repugnant Semitism” from the valuable information in his letters.

If this post attracts too much BS, I may need to nix it, but I hope we can have a reasonable and MATURE discussion of these archaic and repulsive opinions.

u/GrandpaTheobaldus — 7 days ago
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HPL film reviews 🎞️ (Feb 4, 1934, to JVS) “Berkeley Square” plot holes 🕳️ which literally presage “The Shadow Out of Time” ⌛️

“I perused your cinematic notes with usual interest.

During my visit to Long I was dragged to the cinema several times, but

the only item worth remembering was a comedy called Three-Cornered Moon

—a satire on pseudo-aesthetes, At home—& on my own initiative—

I saw Berkeley Square again ... incidentally beholding

as a companion film the not-half-bad Wild Boys of the Road which you mention,

Also went to see The Invisible Man. Surprisingly good—might easily have been absurd, yet succeeded in being genuinely sinister.

Since receiving your letter I have witnessed The World Changes—a fine piece of pageantry, though incredibly naive as a drama, & not even rudimentarily comparable to Cavalcade.

I liked the pioneer period & the momentarily glimpsed horse-car, Also—the 1880-period & 1893 interiors fascinated me, since they were exactly like the houses I knew in my first conscious days.

That parlour where the funeral was held might have been taken out of 454 Angell St.

The 1904 scenes were good—costumes accurate, but one detail of grooming wrong, Young sports did not grow those little bits of side-whisker seen on the sons as early as '04.

That was a fad lasting from '06 or '07 to '10 or so. In '04 the clean shave was universal among everybody under 30.

I note what you say concerning the gifted stars of Henry VIII & Berkeley Square.

If Leslie Howard was in that Outward Bound performance of 1924 I certainly must have seen him there, The years seem to have used him kindly since that period.

By the way—when I spoke of his accent I did not mean that I had any trouble in understanding him.

Indeed, no British accent ever gives me trouble, for I have heard lecturers & others from the Mother Land all my life, I merely note a certain difference from Providence speech in some cases.

I noticed it especially in Howard because he was supposed to be an American. In Laughton I certainly did not seem to notice it to any such degree—but perhaps that was merely a result of my inattention.

I shall probably see Little Women sooner or later—though the book bored me to death 35 years ago, & the period is one I abominate, In all the times I've been to Concord (a marvellous repository of colonial reliques) I've never visited the Alcott house—which is open as a public museum.

Haven't yet seen The Emperor Jones—it was here while I was in N.Y. & hasn't returned so far. I shall go when it comes. Sorry you were disappointed.

The original play gave me a great kick in 1922 or '23—with a real buck n——- named Charles Gilpin (now dead) in the leading role. Glad you've seen Berkeley Square at last. Talman & Long, who saw the play, say that the cinema version is slightly inferior.

As you say, there are things about the transferred identities of the two Peters which tend to arouse questions—although the first one that occurred to me was different from yours.

My main objection was that a diary apparently written by a normal 18th century Peter without consciousness of a 20th century personality or awkward position, yet covering the period of the substituted identity, was left for the modern Peter to inherit & be guided by.

How could that be?

If during those days in 1784 the visitor at the Pettigrew home was a 20th century invader who knew everything that was going to happen, then why did he write in his diary as if he were a normal inhabitant of 1784?

Your point, of course, is—what was the real 18th century Peter doing while the 2oth century Peter usurped his body?

I answered that question in a sketchy sort of way by assuming that he occupied the modern Peter's body in a kind of half-stupor—drinking to drown his perplexity & being regarded by the modern housekeeper (who must have fed him) as her master in a neurotic & alcoholic state,

Yet this is clearly a lame explanation.

In the case of an actual exchange, the man transported into the unknown future would have had a totally different reaction—& the housekeeper would have noted 2 multitude of queer things.

I did not gather that the subsequent remarks of the housekeeper to the modern fiancée referred to the period when the 18th century Peter was in the modern body.

One of the things reported was a wild speech in which the speaker told some people (as I often feel!) that they wouldn't be born for over a century.

Now how could the 18th century Peter, in the confusion of his plight, have known just what had happened?

Or—assuming he had kept his head & studied calendars & newspapers in the house—would he have taken the matter in just this way?

Also—the master is spoken of as having tried to force his way into White's as a member.

Presumably in modern dress—yet how could the 18th century Peter (catapulted into a dressing-gowned body in the 20th century) have dressed himself in the correct modern fashion unassisted?

No—in my opinion all this talk of the housekeeper referred to the 20th century Peter after his return with shattered nerves & a mind filled with 18th century images & doubts of his fixed place in the time-stream.

Think this over & see if you don't agree with me.

But your point is extremely just—what, indeed, was the 18th century Peter doing during the substitution period?

This is no more cleared up than the matter of the diary—a plain oversight on the author's part,

Also—when the real 18th century Peter got back to 1784 his diary ought to shew some trace of whatever unprecedented experience he had been through. But with all its defects this thing gave me an uncanny wallop.

When I revisited it I saw it through twice—& I shall probably go again on its next return, It is the most weirdly perfect embodiment of my own moods & pseudo-memories that I have ever seen—

for all my life I have felt as if 1 might wake up out of this dream of an idiotic Victorian age & an insane jazz age into the same reality of 1760 or 1770 or 1780 .... the age of the white steeples & fanlighted doorways of the ancient hill, & of the long-s'd books of the old dark attic trunk-room at 454 Angell St.

God Save the King!”

🛑 QUOTE OVER 🛑 AND OUT 🎤

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u/GrandpaTheobaldus — 5 days ago