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Amending the Keeper Timeline Leading to Sophie's Birth

Amending the Keeper Timeline Leading to Sophie's Birth

There is the problem of whether ages given are counting from inception or birth, so that clouds the situation.  I decided to ignore that aspect, since it makes any consideration of the timeline too complicated.

Note: As stated in a comment, the elvin counting system is irrelevant. It only impacts Sophie's age. All other ages are elvin. The only difference is that Prentice would have been exiled early in Sophie's first year via human age and late in her first year via elvin age. Either way, Prentice was exiled during Sophie's first year.

Alden has been searching for Sophie for 12 years (Keeper, page 10), which is when Prentice’s mind was broken.  Jolie had been dead for 15 years (Keeper, page 128).  We can infer that Jolie died 3 years before Prentice was exiled.  Prentice was apparently exiled when Sophie was a baby.

Sophie is 12 at the start of Keeper

Wylie is about 20 (Exile, page 449).  Sophie thinks Wylie would have been 7 or 8 when his dad was exiled.  It is confirmed that Wylie was 7 in the registry files (Unlocked, page 158).

This makes Wylie 7 years older than Sophie.  Even though Wylie is just 5 levels ahead of Sophie at Foxfire (Everblaze, page 129), it's reasonable that he can be as much as 7 years older than Sophie, depending on his and Sophie’s exact ages.  Students in the same year in school are born over the course of one year, so students in the same year can be as much as one year apart in age.

Sophie is 13 (Everblaze, page 228).  Since Exile and Everblaze occur over just a few months, we can infer that Wylie is about 7 years older than Sophie from that as well.

Stellarlune is around 2 1/2 years later than Keeper using this page as reference:

https://www.tumblr.com/sophitz/703243836832497664/do-you-know-the-timeline-in-the-kotlc-books-its

This would make Wylie around 22 since Sophie is likely 15 ½ in Stellarlune.

Prentice recruits Jolie to the Black Swan when Jolie was in her first elite year at Foxfire (Everblaze, page 529).  She died 1 year later. Prentice showed Jolie a scroll written by a ogre in order to convince her to join the Black Swan (Everblaze, page 530).

Caprise Redek suffered a brain injury when Marella was "barely a toddler," which is age 1 (Neverseen, page 525). She fell from a balcony. Fintan later suggests that he knows something about what happened, so Caprise's death must tie in with the previous events.

Marella and Sophie are supposedly very close in age, so Caprice's injury occurred probably when Sophie was 1. However, that would be elvin years for Marella, so Sophie would have been a baby in human years. We can place this event in Sophie's first year of life.

Cyrah Endal died when Wylie was "barely eight years old" (Unlocked, page 159). Fintan planned Cyrah's death, and Gethen killed her by distracting her as she leaped.

My adjusted timeline:

  • 4 years before Sophie’s birth: Prentice is recruited as Kenric’s Keeper when Wylie is 3 (Stellarlune, page 248). Jolie is recruited to the Black Swan by Prentice.
  • 3 years before Sophie’s birth:  Jolie dies.
  • 2 years before Sophie’s birth: Oralie is recruited.
  • Sophie’s birth: Wylie is 7.
  • During Sophie’s first year of life (birth up to age 1): Prentice is exiled. Caprise Redek falls from a balcony and suffers a brain injury. Cyrah Endal is killed.

Speculation:

I currently suspect that the Forgotten Secret with Kenric, Oralie, and Fintan takes place during Sophie's first year of life. Prentice's mind had probably been searched by Gethen, which is what caused Prentice to call swan song. Kenric was checking to see if any information from Prentice about Elysian or stellarlune had leaked to Fintan.

u/JennifersSeriesBooks — 4 days ago
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Was Glimmer Meant to Be Sophie’s Replacement?

Hi,

Recently I reread Flashback and noticed one detail that could be very important.

During the attack by Gethen, Ruy, and Umber on Sophie and Fitz, Gethen said something interesting — that Gisela was preparing a replacement for Sophie.

I’m wondering whether that replacement was supposed to be Glimmer (Rayni Aria).

It seems to me that she never really left the Neverseen. I think she is still with them and is carrying out the role Gisela planned for her.

First of all, at the beginning Glimmer does not want to cooperate until Sophie appears. Then Glimmer takes them to the Neverseen hideout, which is empty. No one is guarding Kenric’s and Fintan’s caches or Gisela’s archetype. I suspect they left those caches there on purpose. They were not able to read them, so they handed them over so Sophie would do it. They knew that sooner or later it would lead them to Elysian — and that is exactly what happened.

But I think one thing did not go according to Gisela’s plan. I mean the archetype — I suspect it was fake. And Rayni encouraged Sophie to take it. They did not expect Sophie to burn everything. Because of that, she did not fall into the trap Gisela had prepared. Rayni herself said that she thought they would take everything from the Neverseen hideout to read through it.

And that was the first failure of Gisela’s plan. I suspect the second failure is that Keefe is not there. I suspect Gisela ordered Rayni to charm her son. But there was never really an opportunity for that. Gisela knows that as long as Keefe is in love with Sophie, there is absolutely no chance of winning him over to her side. So that replacement Gethen mentioned in Flashback was probably Rayni.

What do you think of my theory?

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u/Weary_Confection1946 — 7 days ago

I have an idea, and I'm trying to work out if it is feasible. I believe that Jolie's death set off a chain reaction of events in the several years immediately before Sophie's birth.

The exact sequence of events is important, and I need to make sure that I have it straight.

In the first book, Sophie is 12 in human years, so near 13 in elvin years.

Fitz says that they have been searching for Sophie for 12 years (Book 1, page 10). The search for Sophie began after Prentice's mind was broken. Prentice must have been exiled 12 years before the timeline of the first book. He must have been exiled when Sophie was a baby, since she's more than 12 in elvin years.

Jolie died 15 years before (Book 1, page 128).

This means that Jolie died 3 years before Prentice was exiled and approximately 3 years before Sophie's birth (or maybe slightly more than 2 years before Sophie's birth in elvin years).

This is where it gets harder. I'm not clear on Wylie's age, and I need to pin it down for the timeline. Kenric asked Prentice to be his Keeper when Wylie was a toddler. Sophie is around 15 (or so) in Stellarlune. I'm going to go with 15, even though she's likely close to 16.

Dex says that Wylie is a few years older than him (Book 1, page 159). That would put Wylie at around 18 in Stellarlune. If Sophie's 15 and Wylie's 18 in Stellarlune, then Prentice was exiled 15 years before. Ooh, it tallies. Wylie must be about 18.

No, wait. We don't know what Wylie's age was when Prentice was asked to be Kenric's Keeper, but let's say he was 1 to 2 years old. Wylie could still be 18 in Stellarlune. But the timing is likely too close.

Wylie probably is at least 19 in Stellarlune, and I'm aware of online posts where people say that he's 20 to 21. If anyone can pin it down with a quote from the books, I'd appreciate it.

Let's say that Wylie is 19 in Stellarlune. That means Prentice was exiled when Wylie was around 4. Prentice could have been recruited by Kenric a couple years before that, which would have been 17 years before Stellarlune or 1-2 years before Sophie's birth.

Now, Jolie. Jolie died three years before Prentice's exile and likely before Kenric recruited Prentice.

Jolie also died three years before Sophie's birth and probably before Oralie was recruited for Project Moonlark.

Timeline:

3 years before Sophie: Jolie dies

1-2 years before Sophie: Oralie is recruited

1-2 years before Sophie: Prentice is recruited

Here's what I'm thinking. I have gone from thinking there's no way Oralie could be part of the Ruewen family to being rather convinced that she must be a Ruewen. I've always considered it strange that Oralie readily agreed to donate to Project Moonlark. If Oralie and Jolie were sisters, then Jolie's death would have been a catalyst for Oralie's decision. Also, Prentice and Jolie knew each other. Jolie's death might have been Prentice's motivation for joining the Black Swan (if I have the timeline right).

Also yesterday, I was thinking of the Forgotten Secrets again. Oralie says, "I've always hated fire. Even before..." (Book 9, page 236). Sophie assumes that the last part was something like "Kenric's death." What if instead it was "Jolie's death"?

Finally, I do believe Sophie's parents are Kenric and Oralie. Forkle was most likely lying in Neverseen, so his denial means nothing. I've been bothered about what it would mean for Grady and Edaline if Sophie's parents turn out to be Kenric and Oralie. Grady and Edaline would feel like they lost Sophie... unless Sophie is in fact their biological granddaughter. It would solve that problem.

Let me know if you can help tighten the timeline based on quotes from the books.

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u/JennifersSeriesBooks — 10 days ago