r/AvatarSevenHavens

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Why do people complain about Korra losing access to her past lives? They are canonically useless for advice; previous Avatars cannot instruct the current Avatar in elemental or esoteric bending, and they are merely a temporary power boost.

The Avatar State isn't very useful for anything beyond a temporary power boost; they don't do anything very impressive or esoteric beyond standard elemental bending in the Avatar State in battle, and they don't even utilize sub-bending techniques a previous Avatar might have learned to immediately subdue the enemy.

Previous Avatars are canonically useless for advising the current Avatar, apparently because "their life experiences are useless for the current period," so they do nothing more than just wander around in the Spirit Realm or something like that.

Avatars are also useless as a means of preserving or re-establishing the culture of an extinct past era, like the Air Nomads, since we don't see recent Avatars consulting previous ones to record a library of lost knowledge from bygone eras in scrolls or books.

Kyoshi sought Yangchen's advice, but she was completely useless in advising her on anything related to her problem.

The Avatar State is only a temporary power-up, and even then the Avatar almost dies to an elemental Master many times, even with the Avatar having the experience of all their past lives as Masters of a favorite element from where they were born and a literal Pokémon Spirit fueling them with cosmic power.

u/Agile_Coast_4385 — 13 hours ago

Harbringer of doom??

I genuinely loved the ideas I saw in the posters and the world being divided into seven havens or whatever but knowing that The Avatar is now gonna be probably hunted just makes me hate Korra even more bro, I'm so done.

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u/MomentComplex8221 — 1 day ago

Twin Avatars... Is it true and can they pull it off.

Avatar: Seven Havens (ASH) looks good in almost all aspects. It has great potential, cool things I have interest in, and... a problem.

The twin avatars. My question is, with these leaks and stuff going on. Are the twin avatars true, and if they are my next section is to ask.

How will they pull this off without messing up the lore or continuity, will it make sense, can actually be good for the story, and how can they utilize this without it being bad?

I have much hope for the series but I'm also skeptical now after realizing that this is most likely a real possibility.

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u/22_SB — 2 days ago

It would be cool if the entire focus of Pavi’s story was reconnecting to past avatars.

Imagine Pavi must unlock the full power of the Avatar state if she wants to stand a chance against her greatest adversary, and to do so, she must go on a journey throughout the world to heritage sites of past avatars in order to spiritually reconnect with them. We get lots of Wan-style arcs where we explore the stories of several past avatars from Pavi’s perspective after she connects with them, including many we have never heard of. The overarching theme of the whole show is learning from history to prevent repeating terrible mistakes in the future. And thus, Pavi is eventually able to prevent calamity, or restore balance to a post-calamitous world, through what she learned, by truly combining the knowledge of her endless past lives.

Now, it’s been a while since I watched Korra, and I’m not a lore expert or anything, so maybe this isn’t possible with what we currently know, but I think anything is possible if they wanted to write it. I think this would be a super cool theme, since it would be about fixing the problem Korra left her (losing connection to all past avatars), and it would be a great reason to have a long journey + lots of philosophical perspectives and lessons.

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u/the_murabito — 3 days ago

Theory: Pavi's world is going to be as weird & alien as the fictional planet Vesta Minor from "Scavengers Reign". This'll make more sense to you if you've seen the show or the YouTube short "Scavengers"

u/2-2Distracted — 5 days ago

I can’t be the only person who immediately thought of this

This character is Iris, the last gym leader in Pokemon Black and White (for non Pokemon fans, this game is from 2010 and will probably get a remake soon for the Nintendo Switch 2) and champion in Black and White 2. She’s also one of the main characters in the Black and White animated series so she’s significantly more iconic than most gym leaders.

Their clothes are like the same shade of yellow and pink, they even both have the “bamboo” hairstyle…

Also, while I was putting this together, I realised Pavi’s clasp is different in both pics. Maybe one is the twin? (Maybe the clasps are made from Iris’ Axew….) (the Pokemon in the picture)

u/navyblueeit — 3 days ago

Given that Aang is able to use Airbending to create ice, is the opposite also true, to create fire?

In the example above, he is using cold air to freeze the current.

u/Agile_Coast_4385 — 7 days ago

Hello everyone I hope you are doing well. So, I was thinking back on Vaatu and Raava in terms of their reception years later and as we know, it's less than positive for a good chunk of the fandom.

But what if ASH does this?

With how messed up the world is in Pavi’s era and Raava caring about the Avatar so much, adopts this scorched earth policy in terms of making things right even if it gets morally questionable. One example being her trying to get Pavi to kill Nisha because of Vaatu residing in her and Pavi pushes back because they developed the close sisterly bond they almost didn’t get to have. This is to show how theres evil in good.

As for Vaatu who’s absolutely in this weakened state, finds himself attached to Nisha because of Unalaq’s actions and while he HATES being connected to her, ultimately comes to care about her. It doesn’t have be squeaky clean in terms of caring about her, but him being with Nisha and going through so much together could lead to him bettering himself. It might not be a full redemption, but it could indeed show that theres good in evil.

I just figured this would be really cool to see happen and I also think that this could really help with their public reception in the eyes of the fans.

Until then, we won’t know for sure until next year. Take care everyone and thanks for reading!

u/ChattyBird4Eva — 10 days ago
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Like, we know Aang taught Korra Energybending to restore the bending of those Amon crippled at the end of season 1 of TLOK, so I wonder if the same could be done to learn elemental mastery without relying on third parties.

For example, let's say in the post-TLOK apocalyptic sequel Seven Havens, all the refined bending knowledge accumulated over thousands of years has been lost, and all benders have reverted to a primitive bending style... Will Pavi have to learn everything Korra knows about refined elemental bending from her and transmit it back to the world?

Thinking about it, all the Avatars' previous lives were like a backup of knowledge and culture from past eras, but now all of that is lost and they'll have to start from scratch because Unalaq severed Korra's connection to her past lives.

And the more I stop to think about what was lost, the worse it gets.

Yangchen's sound bending.

Kyoshi's immortality method.

Etc.

u/Agile_Coast_4385 — 11 days ago

Pavi and spirit portals

Do you think Pavi will keep the portals open? And have both the spirit world and the psychical world merge competely meaning they would literally become one and the portals would be needed anymore. I honestly hope they go that route.

I hope she keeps them open, having them closed for so long was the reason why this all occurred.

I don’t think Wan was wrong in keeping the portals closed because Humans and spirits did need to be separate for some time, that was the right decision. But at the same time it was a bad decision on his part or more so his predecessors, keeping them close permanently and for so long was a very bad decision.

I know some people hate the whole spirit portals being open thing because the “avatar is the bridge between the two worlds” but the avatar should still be the bridge, because theoretically the spirits and humans are two separate beings, they are essentially two different worlds even if they co-exist in the same world. Anyways, I just hope the new series handles the spirits better this time around because before they felt more like a nuisance that the writers only brought in from time to time and it shouldn’t be that way because the avatars themselves are both a human entity and a spirit entity, I also hope they better handle the Raava and Vaatu situation. After all, they make it seem like Vaatu is the bad guy, when that isn’t the case Chaos ≠ Evil and Order ≠ Good.

Sorry for the rant!

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u/Xokesley — 5 days ago

Dark Avatar Theory

While I think it would be a fascinating concept to explore a dark avatar, I also don’t want to have it be the series finale. 1. That’s so predictable 2. We’ve already seen the Azula v Zuko sibling rivalry.

Additionally, I think it would be incredibly illogical for Nisha, who is guarded and trained by the White Lotus, to be an antagonist. At their core, the group symbolised unity and peace among masters of all bending types. Unless there was a major corruption — like a Red Lotus member infiltration, I don’t imagine pitting the sisters against each other has any real significance beyond a season.

That said … I’ll admit. The dark avatar would be an interesting plot. However, unless there’s a retcon, we know the Lion Turtles taught Raava the elements, and she fused with Wan because he alone couldn’t hold all the elements. Vaatu did NOT learn the elements. So, while he could imbue incredible raw strength, he cannot bend nor pass down the ability to master the other elements. This isn’t to say Vaatu hasn’t learned new tricks in his 10k years but it multiple all-bending avatars aren’t canonised (yet).

I am curious though, how the show will handle the true avatar reveal. So far, we know Korra is the only avatar to have learnt any bending besides her native water early. Either the White Lotus is only expecting Nisha to train with Earth until she becomes “of age” — whatever that now means considering Roku was the last avatar who had a defined age 16 start — or she can bend more than one element.

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u/littlecloud3125 — 4 days ago

Talking animal companions tend to become extremely forced and annoying, especially if they**’**re supposed to be the comic relief

I don**’t want geet to turn into bolin in a cat costume, I love bolin but his comedy was just way to forced, it’**s like the writers were desperate to make you laugh,

And what misses me off is that monkeys and cats have such a WIDE range of sounds they can use for Geet

What do you think?

u/Mtebalanazy — 9 days ago

I personally would love to see

-a return to the deeper philosophical side of bending

-Pavi being a runt instead of a prodigy, we had two prodigies in Aang (master airbender at 10 years old) and Korra**(bending three elements at just 4 years old)** I want to see Pavi struggling to bend elements at the start and having to be creative to compensate for lack of skill,

-a darker story, I love grim dark stories with ray of hope type protagonists

-I want to see creative bending in general, and also I want to see Pavi mix elements together, like a fire tornado for example, or bubbles that explode with heavy air pressure

-I want team Pavi to have chemistry, I wanna see every member have a relationship (not romantic) with the other members, ESPECIALLY the monkey cat , I want that boy to be an integral part of the team (instead of just being a pet)

-and finally, the monkey cat should be the only one on the team that knows how to drive (because that would be hilarious)
Also don**’**t let the cat talk, talking animals companions tend to get old and annoying very quickly, just stick to cat and monkey noses PLEASE and thank you

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u/Mtebalanazy — 11 days ago

I hope we get a combustion bender companion

We probably won’t but it will be nice to see a combustion bender be shown to do good. I also hope the next avatar series which we might not get but who knows is a combustion bender so the three eyes can glow.

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u/No-Mongoose-5671 — 4 days ago

The thing that made Naga get neglected by TLOK is that there**’s cars so Naga wasnt necessarily, as oppose to Appa who can fly and was the Gaang’**s main mode of transport,

now, ASH could just not show cars or have team pavi not use them, however I think it would be hilarious if Geet (the monkey cat) to be the only one in team pavi that can drive a car, it would take advantage of the fact that Geet has thumbs and is smaller then Naga and Appa, do he can get into vehicles

Also again it would be cute and funny

u/Mtebalanazy — 14 days ago

Why is Nickelodeon or Paramount so scared to commit to a full show? First LOK was only authorized for two seasons and then at the last minute Nickelodeon approved more seasons and apparently it greatly affected the writers ability to make a good story because they initially thought they had a much more limited story to work with.

I just don’t want to have to go through all of that with this show. Just give us at least three full seasons like Aang.

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u/FreeGlaze71 — 8 days ago