u/tiny_porch_light

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Mistakes don't turn into identity verdicts.

Mistakes don't become existential evidence.

There's no self to maintain around always being correct.

There's no particular stake in the ground, no self that can be improved by altering it's contents.

Let it be a becoming without being a becoming. There is no one who must stay correct.

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u/tiny_porch_light — 1 day ago
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911.

Karl doesn’t hide behind justification, performance, or rage.

Doyle is always talking... posturing, dominating rooms, inflating himself through noise. Karl arrives already emptied out. No speech. No theatrics. No moral courtroom. Just direct seeing and direct action.

“What are you doing with that lawnmower blade?”
“I aim to kill you with it.”

That line lands so hard because there’s no ego decoration around it. No villain monologue. No “you made me do this.” No attempt to appear righteous.

Zen stories often have that same shocking plainness.

a monk asks a question,
the master cuts the cat,
breaks the bowl,
slams the door,
or says one sentence that leaves nowhere to hide.

Karl is almost koan-like throughout the whole film:

he speaks only when needed,

sees hypocrisy immediately,

doesn’t intellectualize morality,

and acts from a primitive, uncomfortable clarity.

The scene works because Doyle cannot even perceive the seriousness of the moment. Ego thinks everything is still social theater. Karl has already stepped outside the theater.

Doyle is still trapped in self-image.
Karl, for one awful instant, becomes pure function.

No hesitation.
No self-explanation.

That’s why the scene feels less like revenge and more like fate arriving quietly at the door.

I aim to kill you with it.

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u/tiny_porch_light — 1 day ago
▲ 3 r/zenmu

Treasury (...) #415:

Master Shoushan Zhi asked master Nian, "What is the meaning of Deshan's cane and Linji's shout?" Nian said, "You try to say." Zhi immediately shouted; Nian picked up a cane. Zhi pointed to the cane and said, "Don't act at random." Nian threw down the cane and said, "Someone with clear eyes is impossible to fool." Zhi said, "The brigand is busted."

A monk asked, "What was the purpose of the founding teacher's coming from the West?"

The master said, "A three-foot staff breaking an earthenware bowl."

"What is Buddha?"

"The bottom of a bucket falling out."

"What statement have the sages since time immemorial had?"

"'Thus have I heard.'"

"I don't understand."

"'Believing, accepting, putting into practice.'"

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I like the initial conversation between Zhi and Nian. Demonstrated insight. I think "don't act at random" could've thrown a lot of Zen Masters if they were bein' honest.

The monk asked, what's the deal with Bodhidharma? The master said, it's like a three foot staff breaking an earthenware bowl. And how about Buddha? The bottom of a bucket falling out.

Capacity for holding is diminished. It isn't that "holding" is inherently wrong, it's moreso a consequence of Bodhidharma and Buddha according to the Zen lineage -- what's there to hold onto? Doctrinally, spiritually, religiously, philosophically, nothing survives the crack of the stick.

It isn't that people who are "full up" are any less endowed with the Buddha nature, just that they as a consequence may be more involved in their personal storylines and follow out their thoughts to conclude that they are the thinker. Huangbo put it like people walking around with a jewel on their foreheads, looking for the jewel. Nonetheless, Buddhas. That ordinariness is alive and ripe, these are people living, not caught up in nests like Zen and the Way. There they've got the leg up on dumbass me.

Treasury #522:

When the fifth patriarch was in Chang'an lecturing on the Flower Ornament scripture, a monk came and asked, "What is the meaning of the conditional arising of the nature of reality?" The patriarch was silent. Chan master Anguo Ting was standing by in attendance at the time; he said, "Great worthy, right when you produce a single thought this is conditional arising in the nature of reality." That monk was greatly enlightened at these words.

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Bucket/bowl busted.

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And then we get to the next part.

"What statement have the sages since time immemorial had?"

"'Thus have I heard.'"

"I don't understand."

"'Believing, accepting, putting into practice.'"

Zhi and Nian were not sages since time immemorial. Believing, accepting, putting into practice, these are things to fill a bucket with. "Thus have I heard" is not the Way.

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What sticks along near the bucket-hole is subtle. That's why it's good to converse with clear-eyed individuals. Go ahead, clean my clock.

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u/tiny_porch_light — 5 days ago
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K

Question: When one has reached the stage of a quiet mind, and has no immediate problem, what proceeds from that stillness?

Krishnamurti: This means really, to die to every experience, with never a moment of gathering, accumulating. After all, it is this accumulation that brings about conflict, the desire to have more. A mind that is accumulating, greedy, can never die to everything it has accumulated. It is only the mind that has died to everything it has accumulated, even to its highest experience, - only such a mind can know what that silence is. But that state cannot come about through discipline, because discipline implies the continuation of the experiencer, the strengthening of a particular intention towards a particular object, thereby giving the experiencer continuity.

If we see this thing very simply, very clearly, then we will find that silence of the mind of which we are talking. What happens after that is something that cannot be told, that cannot be described, because it has no "meaning."

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u/tiny_porch_light — 7 days ago
▲ 3 r/zenmu

Devil Talk

Guishan asked Yangshan, “Of the forty scrolls of the Nirvana Scripture, how many are Buddha’s talk, and how many are the devil’s talk?”

Yangshan replied, “They’re all devil talk.”

Guishan said, “Hereafter no one will be able to do anything to you.”

Yangshan asked, “As a temporary event, where do I focus my action?”

Guishan said, “I just want your perception to be correct; I don’t tell you how to act.”

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Guishan once asked also -- "What do they teach where you come from?"

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Give a word on this?

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u/tiny_porch_light — 9 days ago
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  1. Q: What is the Way and how must it be followed?

A: What sort of THING do you suppose the Way to be, that you should wish to FOLLOW it?

Q: What instructions have the Masters everywhere given for Dhyāna-practice and the study of the Dharma?

A: Words used to attract the dull of wit are not to be relied on.

Q: If those teachings were meant for the dull-witted, I have yet to hear what Dharma has been taught to those of really high capacity.

A: If they are really men of high capacity, where could they find people to follow? If they seek from within themselves, they will find nothing tangible; how much less can they find a Dharma worthy of their attention elsewhere! Do not look to what is called the Dharma by preachers, for what sort of Dharma could that be?

Q: If that is so, should we not seek for anything at all?

A: By conceding this, you would save yourself a lot of mental effort.

Q: But in this way everything would be eliminated. There cannot just be nothing.

A: Who called it nothing? Who was this fellow? But you wanted to SEEK for something.

Q: Since there is no need to seek, why do you also say that not everything is eliminated?

A: Not to seek is to rest tranquil. Who told you to eliminate anything? Look at the void in front of your eyes. How can you produce it or eliminate it?

Q: If I could reach this Dharma, would it be like the void?

A: Morning and night I have explained to you that the Void is both One and Manifold. I said this as a temporary expedient, but you are building up concepts from it.

Q: Do you mean that we should not form concepts as human beings normally do?

A: I have not prevented you; but concepts are related to the senses; and, when feeling takes place, wisdom is shut out.

Q: Then should we avoid any feeling in relation to the Dharma?

A: Where no feeling arises, who can say that you are right?

Q: Why do you speak as though I was mistaken in all the questions I have asked Your Reverence?

A: You are a man who doesn't understand what is said to him. What is all this about being mistaken?

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  1. Q: Up to now, you have refuted everything which has been said. You have done nothing to point out the true Dharma to us.

A: In the true Dharma there is no confusion, but you produce confusion by such questions. What sort of ‘true Dharma' can you go seeking for?

Q: Since the confusion arises from my questions, what will Your Reverence's answer be?

A: Observe things as they are and don't pay attention to other people. There are some people just like mad dogs barking at everything that moves, even barking when the wind stirs among the grass and leaves.

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  1. Q: From all you have just said, Mind is the Buddha; but it is not clear as to what sort of mind is meant by this ‘Mind which is the Buddha'.

A: How many minds have you got?

Q: But is the Buddha the ordinary mind or the Enlightened mind?

A: Where on earth do you keep your ‘ordinary mind' and your ‘Enlightened mind'?

Q: In the teaching of the Three Vehicles it is stated that there are both. Why does Your Reverence deny it?

A: In the teaching of the Three Vehicles it is clearly explained that the ordinary and Enlightened minds are illusions. You don't understand. All this clinging to the idea of things existing is to mistake vacuity for the truth. How can such conceptions not be illusory? Being illusory, they hide Mind from you. If you would only rid yourselves of the concepts of ordinary and Enlightened, you would find that there is no other Buddha than the Buddha in your own Mind. When Bodhidharma came from the West, he just pointed out that the substance of which all men are composed is the Buddha. You people go on misunderstanding; you hold to concepts such as ‘ordinary' and ‘Enlightened', directing your thoughts outwards where they gallop about like horses! All this amounts to beclouding your own minds! So I tell you Mind is the Buddha. As soon as thought or sensation arises, you fall into dualism. Beginningless time and the present moment are the same. There is no this and no that. To understand this truth is called compete and unexcelled Enlightenment.

Q: Upon what Doctrine ( Dharma-principles ) does Your Reverence base these words?

A: Why seek a doctrine? As soon as you have a doctrine, you fall into dualistic thought.

Q: Just now you said that the beginningless past and the present are the same. What do you mean by that?

A: It is just because of your SEEKING that you make a difference between them. If you were to stop seeking, how could there be any difference between them?

Q: If they are not different, why did you employ separate terms for them?

A: If you hadn't mentioned ordinary and Enlightened, who would have bothered to say such things? Just as those categories have no real existence, so Mind is not really ‘mind'. And, as both Mind and those categories are really illusions, wherever can you hope to find anything?

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  1. Q: Illusion can hide from us our own mind, but up to now you have not taught us how to get rid of illusion.

A: The arising and the elimination of illusion are both illusory. Illusion is not something rooted in Reality; it exists because of your dualistic thinking. If you will only cease to indulge in opposed concepts such as ‘ordinary' and ‘Enlightened', illusion will cease of itself. And then if you still want to destroy it wherever it may be, you will find that there is not a hairsbreadth left of anything on which to lay hold. This is the meaning of: ‘I will let go with both hands, for then I shall certainly discover the Buddha in my Mind.'

Q: If there is nothing on which to lay hold, how is the Dharma to be transmitted?

A: It is a transmission of Mind with Mind.

Q: If Mind is used for transmission, why do you say that Mind too does not exist?

A: Obtaining no Dharma whatever is called Mind transmission. The understanding of this Mind implies no Mind and no Dharma.

Q: If there is no Mind and no Dharma, what is meant by transmission?

A: You hear people speak of Mind transmission and then you talk of something to be received. So Bodhidharma said:

The nature of the Mind when understood,

No human speech can compass or disclose.

Enlightenment is naught to be attained,

And he that gains it does not say he knows.

If I were to make this clear to you, I doubt if you could stand up to it.

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u/tiny_porch_light — 11 days ago
▲ 7 r/zenmu

Was externally processing today and realized one of my little nests I was making. Hard to sum up. I'll try.

The preconceptualized isn't more pure.

It's all pure.

Of course, that's messy too. Doesn't hit the mark. Maybe better to say "thought doesn't stain experience."

I had that as a hidden belief.

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u/tiny_porch_light — 12 days ago
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Master Zhenjing, opening a hall, said to the assembly,

Questions will be stopped for now; you only know to ask about Buddha, ask about the Teaching, but don't know where Buddha's teaching comes from. Tell me, where does it come from? (letting down one leg, he said) In past days Huanglong personally enforced this order; the Buddhas of the ten directions didn't dare violate it, the ancestral teachers through the generations and all sages and saints didn't dare transgress. Countless methods of teaching, all subtle meanings, the sayings of the teachers all over the world, one seal beginning to end, never dared differ. Leaving aside for the moment not differing, where is the seal? Do you see? If you see, you are not monks, not lay people; you have no partiality, no factionalism - everyone is entrusted. If you do not see, I withdraw myself (then drawing in his leg he shouted and said) The army rolls with the seal, the general goes with the talisman. The Buddha's hand, a donkey's leg, circumstances of birth - ultimately a painful beating is deserved. Now in the present assembly, isn't there anyone who doesn't accept? If there is, he's undeniably exceptional. If not, the new elder goes on fooling you people. So our great enlightened World Honored One in ancient times in the country Magadha on the eighth day of the twelfth month, when the morning star appeared, became enlightened, and all the living beings on earth became Buddha at the same time. Now there is a Buddhist monk, Kewen, in the eastern country of China, in the city of Chunyang; on the thirteenth day of the sixth month, when the blazing sun appeared, he also realized - what? (drawing one line with his whisk he said) I don't dare take you lightly - you will all become Buddhas.

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u/tiny_porch_light — 12 days ago
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Master Ciming gave a lecture to an assembly. Hitting the rope seat once with his staff, he said,

Everyone, do you understand? Have you not read the saying, "Forgetting objects of knowledge at one stroke, you do not need training or discipline any more. Everywhere those who arrive on the Way all say this is the highest potential." This realization of Xiangyan is already realization of the Chan of those who arrive at being as is, but he still hasn't dreamed of the Chan of the master teachers.

Now tell me, what is the strength of the Chan of the master teachers? If you take a rule from words, you will deceive and cheat people of later times. Even if you attain realization at a blow of the staff, you are turning against the sages of yore: "Myriad things are originally peaceful - it's just that people disturb themselves."

For this reason, when I lived at Fuyan I just saw the scenery of Fuyan, rising at leisure and going to sleep early, clouds sometimes rising on the blue ranges, moonlight descending into the cold pools. At the sound of voices birds fly, crying; the flowers before the stand of wisdom are fragrant. By the peak of the mountain, holding a skinny cane, I sit on a boulder, talking at times to monks from all over about the mysterious and subtle, ashes on my head and dirt on my face.

When I lived at Xinghua, I just saw the family style of Xinghua, greeting those who came and seeing off those who left. The monastery was next to a city, filled with carriages and horses, fishermen singing on the rivers, monkeys howling in the foothills; from time to time music and song could be heard. Again I discussed the Chan way with high-minded people from everywhere within the four seas, forgetful of the passing years.

Now tell me, between living deep in the mountains and living in the city, is one better than the other? Try to say.

[silence]

This place is the Merciful One: there is no gateway, and no seeker.

u/tiny_porch_light — 17 days ago
▲ 5 r/zenmu

Master Yunmen cited:

Master Chuyuan of Shishuang said, "You must know that there is a phrase of special transmission outside the written tradition."

A monk asked Shishuang, "What is this phrase of special transmission outside the written tradition?"

Master Shishuang replied, "A nonphrase."

Master Yunmen said, "A nonphrase is all the more a phrase!"

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Even if you understand a nonphrase being all the more a phrase. Even if you've been all Joshu'd out. Even if you find yourself hanging by the teeth from a branch. Can you still give a word of Zen?

Shew. What an ugly sentence.

But why is it mistaken?

That's what we're finding out, right?

Or is it that in the finding out, we're losing something?

Zen: come for the gains, stay for the losses.

Even so, a novice Zen student would spit in my eyes.

Venerable Yanyang asked Zhaozhou, "When not a single thing is brought, then what?" Zhaozhou said, "Put it down." Yanyang said, "If I don't bring a single thing, what should I put down?" Zhaozhou said, "Then carry it out."

Having entered the Dharma Hall for a formal instruction, Master Yunmen said:

"Get out, get out of here! You're fooling each other without end!"

Then Master Yunmen asked the assembly: "Is even to say what I just said a mistake?"

The mistakenness is unavoidable. 1,000 years of mistakes. But if not for the mistakes, there would be no family customs.

When to open your mouth and when not to? Well. Welcome to Zen.

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u/tiny_porch_light — 22 days ago
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The high official Ba asked, "Master, do you practice?"

Joshu said, "It would be a disaster if I did."

Ba said, "If you yourself do not practice, to whom can you teach the practice?"

Joshu said, "You."

Ba said, "How can you call someone like me a practitioner?"

Joshu said, "If you did not practice, how could you have overcome hunger and cold, and attained the status of a king?"

With tears in his eyes the official bowed in gratitude.

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u/tiny_porch_light — 24 days ago
▲ 2 r/zenmu

People are often hindered by environmental phenomena from perceiving Mind, and by individual events from perceiving underlying principles; so they often try to escape from environmental phenomena in order to still their minds, or to obscure events in order to retain their grasp of principles. They do not realize that this is merely to obscure phenomena with Mind, events with principles. Just let your minds become void and environmental phenomena will void themselves; let principles cease to stir and events will cease stirring of themselves. Do not employ Mind in this perverted way.

Many people are afraid to empty their minds lest they may plunge into the void. They do not know that their own Mind is the void. The ignorant eschew phenomena but not thought; the wise eschew thought but not phenomena.

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Comment: What is the sound of one hand clapping?

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u/tiny_porch_light — 24 days ago