u/surfnoob

Distanced from all 3 childhood friends due to orientation toward racial hierarchy

I spent chunks of childhood in Southern US with few Asians. Over the past year I've distanced from all 3 remaining friends from elementary. It caused a lot of spiraling. All 3 are caring in their own way but all very oriented toward 2000s Southern racial hierarchy, even though most have moved to another part of the US. I'm Asian female and have moved around a lot, both different regions in US and diff parts of Asia... so I just saw this specific racial hierarchy as subjective rather than a truth...

- White female friend who casually stated micro-aggressions about Asians looking alike, anime being for losers, "Asian culture is cool really?" while very supportive and present otherwise.

- Asian guy friend who would accuse me of chasing white ppl while also dating a white woman, saying racial stereotypes about various groups and being like "how about this white guy, he's very attractive".

- Asian female friend who also makes sweeping stereotypes about all Asians (incl women) being unattractive etc but narrates how she is exceptional and her friends are all European and ppl think she doesn't look Asian.

All 3 fit the characteristics of kind supportive friends but then at random moments, a rigid racial hierarchy gets imposed on everything. For the Asian friends, it's almost a nonstop fixation, like every other conversation is filtered through that lens.

Curious if others have gone through something like this, and how it feels? I still often revisit like "Is this salvageable? Could I have empathized more, am I a bad friend?" It's easier to walk away from obviously bleh connections but these are from 20+ years ago, the female friends being pretty continuous friendships. But life is short right, and my time and energy are valuable.

And I've even tried to have the conversation or hinted at it in various ways over the course of many months but it didn't land or was met with "You misunderstood but thanks"

Ofc I think racism still exists, but maybe it's partly that I feel like I've been in enough beach town 90%+ white groups where I didn't feel like it improved my life in any way, it was just fine. Maybe I am experiencing this dissonance bc I speed ran white proximity and found no gold at the end of the rainbow? So I end up debating this whole premise and unable to bridge the gaps in our realities?

reddit.com
u/surfnoob — 1 day ago

Has anyone witnessed 'self hate' among their friends or in themselves?

Hi everyone, hope you're having a great weekend and thanks in advance for reading and weighing in.

Being part of these online communities over the past few months has been interesting and helpful in thinking through my experiences, and I've understood more perspectives thanks to the kind, thoughtful input of folks on here!

So re: 'self hate' - I didn't learn of this term until I came to some of these Asian American subreddits, and at first I thought it was an inflammatory term, but looks like self-hatred is a real academic term lol.

I'm curious if anyone has interacted with friends who seem to experience 'self hate' to the point where it's exhausting to talk to them and also concerning? Is this self hate; is there even point in calling it self hate?

I'll preface and say that this is an anomaly experience among my Asian American female friends-

I have a longstanding friend, we are both Asian American women. She is happy when ppl say they can't tell that she is Asian, constantly flexes having white friends (or latino), while saying a lot of wild stereotypes about East Asian women as a category being unattractive and too thin, while also trying to be more thin and celebrating white friends who are ultra thin. If I list it all out it'd be too easily identifiable and also cause brain damage.

I pointed out that maybe there's some identity things to examine, and she deflected.

Has anyone experienced this, and how did you proceed? I might just distance bc the brain damage inflicted upon me is too significant and seemingly every convo circles this topic, but I feel guilt and am open to enlightenment. Thank you in advance

reddit.com
u/surfnoob — 4 days ago