u/snugbdog

Why didn't Suzuki tell Hiroshi about Bill's motivations?

(Spoilers for season 2)

Hiroshi obviously grew up thinking that Bill had abandoned him, either not loving him because he wasn't his blood or that Hiroshi might've done something wrong to drive him away.

Season 2 reveals what Bill's motives were, but also shows that Suzuki was apparently good friends with Hiroshi and that Suzuki maintained contact with Billy up until the late 1960's -- seemingly knowing what Billy's real motives were.

So why didn't Suzuki tell Hiroshi that? That might have helped Hiroshi work through a lot of resentment if he knew Bill at least believed his Mother was alive.

My guesses are

-- Bill never did tell Suzuki his actual motive. When Suzuki told him to stop chasing the family he lost, it wasn't intended to be literal. That said, even if not literal, telling Hiroshi that it had less to do with him and more to do with the loss of Keiko/Lee might've helped him.

-- Suzuki did try to tell Hiroshi, but Hiroshi tends to be a bit of a buzzkill when his Father is brought up, so Hiroshi might've just shut it down pretty fast.

-- Suzuki did tell Hiroshi, but it didn't change anything. Just as Cate's resentment towards Hiroshi was simply an extension of how much she hated herself for her own failings, Hiroshi was doing the same thing to Bill. After all, he had footage of Bill's last recording, showing that Bill did view Hiroshi as his son -- which would debunk one of Hiroshi's fears, but he seems even more hostile towards Bill's memory in season 2 than in season 1.

There are admittedly a lot of blind spots in Hiroshi's life. He seemed to cut off Shaw almost immediately in the 1980's, but Shaw says it had been about 10 years since he last saw him and he knew of Kentaro's existence, so presumably Hiroshi did maintain contact with Shaw for awhile before they had a falling out. I doubt the writers will ever address a lot of it, but I guess it's kind of fun to speculate over lol

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u/snugbdog — 2 days ago

Why didn't Suzuki tell Hiroshi of Bill's motivations?

(Spoilers for season 2)

Hiroshi obviously grew up thinking that Bill had abandoned him, either not loving him because he wasn't his blood or that Hiroshi might've done something wrong to drive him away.

Season 2 reveals what Bill's motives were, but also shows that Suzuki was apparently good friends with Hiroshi and that Suzuki maintained contact with Billy up until the late 1960's -- seemingly knowing what Billy's real motives were.

So why didn't Suzuki tell Hiroshi that? That might have helped Hiroshi work through a lot of resentment if he knew Bill at least believed his Mother was alive.

My guesses are

-- Bill never did tell Suzuki his actual motive. When Suzuki told him to stop chasing the family he lost, it wasn't intended to be literal. That said, even if not literal, telling Hiroshi that it had less to do with him and more to do with the loss of Keiko/Lee might've helped him.

-- Suzuki did try to tell Hiroshi, but Hiroshi tends to be a bit of a buzzkill when his Father is brought up, so Hiroshi might've just shut it down pretty fast.

-- Suzuki did tell Hiroshi, but it didn't change anything. Just as Cate's resentment towards Hiroshi was simply an extension of how much she hated herself for her own failings, Hiroshi was doing the same thing to Bill. After all, he had footage of Bill's last recording, showing that Bill did view Hiroshi as his son -- which would debunk one of Hiroshi's fears, but he seems even more hostile towards Bill's memory in season 2 than in season 1.

There are admittedly a lot of blind spots in Hiroshi's life. He seemed to cut off Shaw almost immediately in the 1980's, but Shaw says it had been about 10 years since he last saw him and he knew of Kentaro's existence, so presumably Hiroshi did maintain contact with Shaw for awhile before they had a falling out. I doubt the writers will ever address a lot of it, but I guess it's kind of fun to speculate over lol

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u/snugbdog — 2 days ago

Did Billy think Shaw was still alive?

Spoilers if you haven't finished season 2.

We know that Billy believed Keiko was possibly still alive from the beginning, but we don't know if he thought the same about Lee.

I assume so, but he certainly didn't ever comment on it. While he clearly still loved Keiko in spite of the affair, we have no idea if he held any affection for Lee after learning of it. When Suzuki references him, Bill grows angry, but his anger might not have had anything to do with Lee specifically.

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u/snugbdog — 7 days ago