u/retrogradeinmercury

In my 1200 hour/Level 5 update post I had a couple of people ask me to write this post so here it is!

What is crosstalk?

Here is a blogpost from Dreaming Spanish creator, Pablo Humanes, on what crosstalk is in-depth. To give the short version, crosstalk is when two language learners, each native or near-native in the other's target language, speak to each other in their native language or the language they speak at a near native level. It is a method for two language learners to improve their listening level in their target language. You can think of it as having a conversation in two languages where each person responds in the language that is most comfortable for them. Interestingly, this is how my parents communicate. My dad speaks German and my mom speaks English despite them both being near native in the other's language.

Why should I do crosstalk?

Crosstalk has a lot of pros when it comes to improving listening level through immersion/CI. Perhaps the most obvious and important points are that the level is adjusted to level that the learners are at and that it is a dynamic, responsive type of input. This means that if you are confused or something went completely over your head you can say that and the person can rephrase, draw or find a picture to illustrate a point, give multiple examples, etc. I think the advantages over a video or podcast are pretty clear in this regard. Something that might be a bit less obvious is that this also means that you are fully engaged and full engagement means faster learning. Another aspect that I think few people talk about enough, including Pablo, is that crosstalk is by definition a social activity. Crosstalk gives you the ability to make connections very early on in your language journey. I have made friends through crosstalk and that's something really special. I believe an advantage that crosstalk has over other types of language exchange in this regard is that because each person is able to speak in their native language that means you can speak about deeper topics at a lower level. Having a social connection that exists in your target language is a great source of motivation to stay engaged and consistent with that language!

When should I start doing crosstalk?

Ideally as soon as possible, but I think the true answer to this question depends and is related to the next question: how do you find someone to do crosstalk with? For those at the complete beginner to mid-beginner level (levels 1-3 on the DS Roadmap) the type of crosstalk you need to engage is very limiting to the people who you can do crosstalk with, because at this level you still require quite a lot of visuals to follow what someone is saying. This more or less limits you to other people at your level, which for a language like Mandarin almost certainly rules out finding someone online. This largely has to do with the difficulties of navigating western websites for someone with low level abilities in English. This might mean that if you speak a language other than English you will get lucky and find someone from China who already speaks English and is looking to improve in a different language. This happened to me, but in person.

At level 4, which spans upper-beginner to low intermediate level, you can now start to understand things with far few visuals. This means that you can start looking online for people to do crosstalk with. This is a probably the ideal time to start doing crosstalk for most people. I started looking for crosstalk partners as soon as I hit 600 hours and while it was doable it was really rough. Right around the 800 hour mark crosstalk started to feel much more less rough. If you are excited by the idea of doing crosstalk and you're ok with communication feeling very difficult then start at 600 hours, if you want it to be a little smooth from the start 800 hours is a great time.

How do I find a crosstalk partner?

I had really good luck on r/language_exchange. In fact, I kind of got overwhelmed with responses (something like 30-40). I was offering English, which is obviously in massive demand. If the language you are offering is something else you will very likely get far fewer responses. Other languages that are popular for Mandarin speakers to learn are Japanese and Korean. You'll want to describe what crosstalk is in your post since it's a very uncommon form of language exchange. You'll also want to describe yourself and what sort of language partner you think would fit you best. You can use the post I made to base yours off.

Now that you've made your post there's a few more steps before you can find a crosstalk partner or partners. The first is downloading and setting up WeChat. Almost everyone in China uses it and it will be by far the most convenient method of communication. It also has a pretty good built in translation feature which can also making setting up calls and then next step easier. Once you have WeChat ready you'll need to look at and responses to your post and DMs. There will be a lot of people who will be a pretty obvious bad fit. You can ignore them tbh. If someone seems like they might be a good fit start chatting with them. I think texting for a few days is a really great way to figure out who is worth setting up a call with. Of the 5 people who I set calls up with, only 1 ended up going poorly enough that we never called again.

At this point you should have found at least one or two people to give crosstalk a try with. If you stay consistent you'll likely start to realize you're a better fit with some than others. I found that with partners where chemistry lacked our calls naturally got less and less frequent, but the ones that you really enjoy talking with will be super fun and you'll look forward to your sessions!

I hope this has been a helpful write up and that it pushes you to try out crosstalk! If you have any questions I'm happy to answer them!

u/retrogradeinmercury — 13 days ago

I'm in the unfortunate position of having to send in both my pairs of shoes in for resoling at the same time so I'll be climbing on rentals until they get back. I'm trying to figure out how to structure my training during this period. Some background, I started climbing as a teen and did so for about 6 years, stopped for a few years and picked the sport back up about 3.5 years ago, but I haven't been able to be too consistent due to health stuff requiring multiple surgeries the last 2 years. In the months between surgeries I usually get back to flashing v4-5 and sending stiff v6 or soft 7s in a few sessions. I am just getting back to climbing after about 2.5 months off due to recovering from a surgery (not injury related and I have no restrictions on training due to it). This last surgery is officially the last and now I can finally get back to climbing with the knowledge I can be consistent. That means that I'm currently in a phase of rebuilding. I feel super weak (can only get 3 strict pull ups, normally can get 8-10) and pretty uncoordinated. I know from experience that the climbing specific coordination returns in a few weeks, but the strength takes longer. I was thinking of focusing my training on the gym to rebuild strength, maybe some campus board and easing into hangboarding again. Does that seem like a reasonable approach to take? I was also wondering if people have ideas of how to use the constraint of shitty rubber to my advantage? Like are there technique drills that having to work around worse equipment would work well with? I feel like maybe there is some way that having terrible feet all the time could be used to my advantage.

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u/retrogradeinmercury — 15 days ago
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This post references the Dreaming Spanish Roadmap when levels are mentioned. For Mandarin the numbers of hours per level are doubled.

Level 1 completion update

Level 2 completion update

Level 3 completion update

750 hour update

1000 hour update

Background

I have absolutely zero previous Mandarin experience. I learned about ALG from this video and was immediately intrigued. I am trying to follow ALG as accurately as possible so I avoid translation as much as I can and cover subtitles using a subtitle hider (Windows | Mac). That means that I am learning Mandarin exclusively through watching comprehensible input, without any flashcards, grammar study, tone pairs, etc.

Some numbers

I hit 1200 hours on April 16th, 2026, 325 days since starting. Level 4 itself took 178 days, an average of 3.4 hours/day. The past several months of my life has been full of surgeries which has mostly kept me from working, that's how I've been able to speedrun. I've done 100.5 hours of crosstalk total with 92.8 hours of that during level 4! That means that 15.5% of my input for this level came from crosstalk. In some previous updates I tested my known characters by looking through this website. At 460 hours I knew about 25, at 630 I knew about 40, at 900 about 60. I'm not going to keep trying to estimate this, because at this point it's too many to use that site, but I do feel like the rate of character acquisition is increasing since starting to watch video game content.

Does your progress line up with the Dreaming Spanish Roadmap doubled?

Mostly yes, however I think the way that the level 5 description is written makes this question impossible to answer fully for someone who is also following the roadmap's advice of delaying speaking until reaching level 6. I'll be sure to clearly state what I think I can speak to and what I can't. So, let's look at the level 5 description more specifically:

You can understand people well when they speak directly to you. They won’t need to adapt their speech for you. This is true most of the time when I am doing crosstalk. I would say that for most day to day stuff or talking about tv shows, music, etc. I have not had to ask my crosstalk partners to rephrase since I hit a bit above 1000 hours. However, when one of my crosstalk partners was telling me about the complicated onboarding procedure for the new job she landed I was asking her to explain many times. Also when she was recently telling me a story where understanding the details very clearly was super important I had to make sure I had understood correctly several times, though I think I would have needed to make sure I understood correctly at least once if the story was told in English. Basically, this is point of the roadmap is accurate for basic daily conversation, but breaks down the further outside of that it gets.

You’ll almost understand TV programs in the language, because you understand so many of the words, but they are still hard enough to leave you frustrated or bored. Yeah this one is 100% accurate. The adult TV I have briefly tried is too hard for me to stay engaged. I did watch a few minute of the first episode of The Expanse, a show I know inside and out, and that I was able to follow because of my existing knowledge. Unfortunately, most of the shows I know super well don't have Mandarin dubs. u/mejomonster is always suggesting to watch kids shows with dubs, but my parents banned kids shows so I don't know any 😭 otherwise I would have watched them during level 4. A show for a 10 year old is a lot more advanced than I think most people would expect. Regardless, I will probably start watching some Disney cartoons soon.

**And now for the part that I can't answer in the Level 5 description: "**Conversation can be tiresome, and if you try to speak you can feel a bit like a child, since it will be hard to express abstract concepts and complex thoughts. You understand most of the words used during daily conversation, but you still can’t use many yourself. If you try to speak the language, it will feel like you are missing many important words. However, you can, often, already speak with the correct intonation patterns of the language, without knowing why, and even make a distinction between similar sounds in the language when you say them out loud."

  • Since I'm holding off on speaking until Level 6 (2000 hours) as suggested by the roadmap I can't answer if this section fits with my level. If I had to guess, I'd expect it does, but that it would take 10-20 hours of speaking to actually develop even a modicum of fluidity of speech.

As for the "You will learn section" for Level 4, that lines up really well. A lot of what I picked up in this level was conjunctions and grammar. Obviously I also added lots of vocabulary too, including abstract words such as "courage" and "serious" (as in a serious illness). This section mentions "At this point you may start feeling that there are many more words that you don't know than words you do know." This is extremely true. I really notice all the words that I don't know when watching harder content and it can feel super frustrating.

Thoughts and observations

Level 4 felt like it took foreverrrrrrr. The difference between the beginning and the end of Level 4 was massive for me though. When I was at 600 hours I still felt like I was a beginner, now at 1200 I definitely don't. Thinking back on starting crosstalk with people besides my IRL friend it was so rough. I was asking people to repeat themselves when we were just talking about food and the weather, now I can have flowing discussions for up to 2 hours talking about much more complicated topics. I certainly ask for clarification on new words if they hinder my understanding, but that happens much less often now. Another huge difference between 600 and 1200 hours is that I can understand meaning at a much more detailed level. This is because I have started to acquire more words that communicate grammatical function, which is to say words that encode more nuanced relational meaning. That combined with a bigger vocabulary makes for a difference that is bigger than the sum of its parts in my opinion.

While I have made massive progress I still feel like this is the beginning of a sort of awkward transition phase. A lot of the learner channels I've been using heavily are now too easy. I've canceled my Blabla Chinese and Lazy Chinese premium subscriptions, because even their hardest material are too easy for me. I haven't worked through the Xiaogua upper intermediate podcasts yet, but once I do I think it'll be time for me to shift away from the learner resources that I have been using since I started. It seems that a lot of the learner content for true intermediate and upper intermediate learners is made by people with more of an HSK basis, Eazy Mandarin for example. Since none of what I've learned from has focused on drilling HSK words I find these resources weirdly hard. I think by the time I finish clearing out the Xiaogua upper intermediate playlist I'll be ready to start switching to new resources without that feeling too painful.

If you've read my recent updates then you'll know that I have a strong preference for material that is very comprehensible. That definitely made the first 2/3 of this level pretty boring as there wasn't as much entertaining stuff to watch. Luckily this has changed though and now I am able to enjoy some video game content (this is new to me, I don't even play video games lol), alongside more kids shows, and cooking content. Being able to watch BHZY has made getting in the hours feel way easier the last few weeks. His content is also great because I find it engaging enough to keep my attention while I get my long zone 2 cardio in by walking on an incline treadmill.

This is kind of an aside, but one aspect of this journey that has been a huge unexpected bonus is that it has exposed me to a lot of new things because of the types of content I watch for input that I wouldn't have otherwise. BHZY mostly plays horror games. I don't play video games and horror isn't a genre I have ever had an interest in, but his gaming content is engaging and depending on the game, very comprehensible. Some of the games he plays are pretty stupid and are silly, but some are really incredible and have really started to change how I think about video games and horror as a genre. Another thing is that, as I mentioned above, my parents banned cartoons so watching kids cartoons is a pretty new experience. I can't say I find them particularly intellectually stimulating lol, but watching them has made me reflect on my own childhood. There are thoughts that have been prompted by watching kids cartoons that have been significant enough for me to bring them to therapy to discuss. I guess this paragraph is just reflecting on how glad I am for this journey being something that is bringing more than just a new language into my life.

What did I enjoy?

  1. Crosstalk has been incredible. When I started level 4 I was doing crosstalk with like 5 people besides my IRL friend I've been doing crosstalk with from the beginning. That slowly narrowed down to my IRL friend and one crosstalk partner. I now consider that crosstalk partner a real friend. We speak 3-5 days a week and have started to talk about visiting each other eventually. Besides it being great for learning, it's just so much more fun and rewarding!
  2. As I just mentioned BHZY has been great recently! I really like his videos
  3. Unsurprisingly, I'm still watching a lot of cooking content, especially @onefoodie and @BreadtoSunny
  4. I watched all the kids shows in the resource spreadsheet that are in the Level 3/4 section. Puffin Rock is by far the best
  5. I really like Story Learning Chinese with Annie for level 4. I feel I picked up from her videos. I actually joined her new channel membership. I really enjoy her videos where she breaks down clips from Chinese TV and movies. I learn so much from those

What worked?

  1. Having a rotation of content built into my browser is super useful. I have one instance that just has tabs of content queued up to watch. It makes it easy to not have to try to figure out what's next.
  2. Variety. I think towards the end of level 4 you really have to start branching out and getting a wider exposure to new words. Crosstalk is great for this as you never know where a conversation might go
  3. Building a habit. I feel weird when I don't do my input, it's just part of my life now
  4. Being flexible. Sometimes life is what it is and you can't get input or as much as you plan and that's ok. I've been dealing with insomnia and that means taking a day off or watching super easy input sometimes. Other times I want to do something fun all day and that means less or no input. Taking breaks is super important once the habit is set
  5. Rednote is great. I don't count it as input, but it's my only social media now and when I'm bored it means I'm spending time with Mandarin. It's also been great for makeup tips!

What didn't?

  1. Podcasts. It's not that I can't understand them, but they're where I engage with intellectually stimulating content on a daily basis. I just couldn't give up learning more about psychoanalysis and linguistics to listen to Cozy Mandarin talk about eggs and shitty neighbors

What am I looking forward to?

  1. Slowly incorporating more native content. It's just more entertaining than learner stuff. I'm also looking forward to slowly be able to bring more interests into Mandarin. Eventually I'd love to be engaging with all my hobbies in Mandarin, but I know that will not happen by the end of level 5.
  2. Cooking more Chinese dishes. I said this last time, but I really love cooking so I'll say it again lol
  3. More crosstalk chats! Considering how much more in depth and fun my chats have gotten during level 4, I'm excited to talk more during level 5.
  4. Rebuilding my cardio while learning Mandarin. Like I mentioned, watch BHZY on my iPad while getting my zone 2 cardio in has been great. I'm excited that I can get my input in and get fit again.
  5. Being done with surgeries. This has nothing to do with Mandarin, but I'm just really looking forward to this. In the past 2 years I've been through 6 surgeries. I had to put my life on hold to deal with my health. I'm glad I did, but it's been so exhausting. I'm excited to get back to my life and find some consistent work

I know this is a long update, but I hope it's useful and interesting. If you have any questions I'm happy to answer!

u/retrogradeinmercury — 27 days ago