u/profaneangel1991

Do I think he'd have internalized negative values from his time period? Sure. For whatever reason he is the only character that's like that, but I won't deny it. That said his behavior in general isn't an accurate reflection of the sexism found in the decades he'd have been alive for. People read way too much into him saying bitch at the end of Hazbin Guarantee. Guys, it was written by Vivziepop. Everyone says vulgar things, I don't know why we should start caring when a villain does it. Are you people upset at Alastor for calling Vaggie "Vageen" in that same episode? Ultimately Vox treats just about everyone poorly, I don't think gender plays deeply into that.

"But he kicked the female news anchor in Brighter!" That felt more like a light slapstick gag than anything else. I don't think its intended to be taken that seriously.

"But he killed a woman!" And Alastor targeted female overlords, but nobody talks about that because his fans think he's a feminist.

"But he touches women without consent!" So does Alastor! Alastor squished Charlie's face in his hand, if Vox touching shoulders is invasive then what was this?

"But he made Velvette apologize to Carmilla when she didn't want to!" So? He's actually in the right here despite how the show frames it. If he's to do business with Carmilla then Velvette needs to smooth things over. Her ruining that one meeting didn't just reflect badly on her, it made him look bad. Velvette was being a brat. Sorry.

"But he fed Goldie to Shok.wav!" And Valentino replies with "I was using that", ultimately the scene exists to reinforce they're evil. There's a lot of that in season 2, too much if you ask me. Again, Vox treats everybody terribly.

"But he's tied up in a sexually exploitative business!" Yes, he knows what's going on there and doesn't stop it because it gives him money. I expect this to get addressed at some point in the show. His ability to exploit others without concern is something he'd have to overcome if he does pursue a self improvement arc. However, that business is gender neutral. Val isn't trafficking only women, in fact most of what we see are men being used, so this doesn't necessarily speak to an innate misogyny. Even then, are you also calling Val a misogynist or saying Velvette has internalized misogyny? If you're saying this about Vox then so are they. You can't have this him vs them mentality on this topic.

"Well, Alastor treats women better than Vox does!" Does he? Just because he has a fondness for Niffty it doesn't mean he's sweet to women as a whole. I don't care what Viv says, the idea that Alastor hates only men and loves women isn't something I believe. We know he's using Charlie, people gotta swallow that pill already. He doesn't care about her goals or her as a person, he's trying to gain something through her. He used her in the finale for his own benefit despite her begging him not to. He isn't actually friends with Rosie and according to Sam Haft he doesn't hold affection for Mimzy. Meanwhile, people making this argument ALWAYS choose to ignore that Vox has Velvette who genuinely likes him when he's not spiraling like he did in the back half of season 2. I'm tired of this!

So a funny thing keeps happening, and it's that a lot of people in the fandom just takes Alastor at his word. He says Vox is powerless without the other Vees and people believe him. He says he thinks of Charlie like a daughter (lol) and people believe him. There are people convinced he's never going to be a threat to Charlie because they've bought into his manipulation and think he wants to guide her. Alastor in my opinion is not subtle in his lying at all. He's very insincere right down to him hiding behind his smile. The man basically screams "don't trust me" and people think he means everything he says.

The reason I'm posting about this here is its really impacted how some engage with Vox during season 2. They seriously think it's shameful that he used other people for the sake of his goals because Alastor mocked him for it. And if you address that Alastor does the same things he judges Vox for then you get some smartass saying "wow the cannibal is a hypocrite it's almost like he's a demon in Hell!". Yet they take him completely at face value when he's belitting Vox for things that AREN'T weakness and...calling Charlie his daughter. I know that's irrelevant to Vox, it's just baffling people don't notice he's talking bullshit there. I've also noticed if somebody compliments Vox for his traits that he does have over Alastor, like his ability to build connections, well don't you know Alastor loves Niffty! He can make friends too you guys! Great Alastor altruist almost died for his friends! It's weird, fans are selective in where they think he's dishonest. Its never the moments where he's obviously lying or just saying shit to get a rise out of Vox (and Lucifer, but this ain't about him). I guess he's just that good at manipulation? Somehow? Anybody else seeing this?

Some people seem to be running with the idea Vox's body is completely mechanical, I just don't like this idea. It's dehumanizing in a way. Oh this human character you've connected with is now just straight up a robot, I don't like that. We know he bleeds, I'd like to imagine his body contains natural tissue.

I have to be blunt, the fandom at large can get weird about Vox's sexuality. I know the show hasn't really explored him being bisexual, but that doesn't make it less true. I'm tired of people saying things like "he still prefers men" or that because he rejected Brandon Rogers in a wig it means he hates women. Be for real, if we were in his position we would have done the same because she's annoying. Somebody was saying today that Vox is too misogynistic to be attracted to women. That isn't how attraction or misogyny works, but I don't know why people think he's on like Adam's level here. His sexism is pretty tame compared to actual men from his era, fans blow this out of proportion. This all really bothers me with Vox because I don't see this energy with other bi characters like Pentious, who we never see with men. I think its biphobia, people still have outdated views on bisexuality. But its also probably shipping nonsense. Because Radiostatic and Staticmoth are so popular its like people think the idea Vox is attracted to women undermines all that. But Val being pan is somehow not a factor in any of this. It's just weird behavior.