u/londoncidade

I'm trying to learn butterfly, watching youtube videos and reading articles from USMS. Would love some feedback.

Here's where I'm at:

I've been experimenting with hand entry and pull technique. I tried the keyhole pull with flat hand entry and my buoyancy felt better. I went to pool today and tried thumbs-first entry and pulling more directly toward my belly button (kind of a V or centre pull with no outsweep) and the pull itself feels way stronger, so I'm sticking with that for now.

The issues I know I have:

- Arms are moving too fast. I think I'm just trying to stay afloat rather than actually swimming with rhythm.

- Breathing kills my momentum. if I don't breathe I move forward much better, but obviously that's not sustainable. do i breathe when i start to pull or when i start to recover?

- Undulation and kick are a mess. I'm doing some kind of kick but I honestly don't know if my timing is right or if I'm even getting two kicks per cycle. or if i am forgetting to kick and undulate sometimes. As far as i am aware, in isolation i can do undulation drills. but when I combine it with pull/recovery and breathing there is no sync.

- Not sure if I'm exhaling underwater. Probably not consistently, which I know is a big deal.

- Should my knees and feet touch each other?

Despite all that I can complete 25m, and I feel like 50m might be within reach if I can sort out the timing and rhythm. I keep reading that butterfly is all about rhythm and I totally believe it. I just haven't found it yet.

What clicked for you when you were learning fly? Any cues that helped with the two-kick timing or breathing? Would really appreciate any advice

Hi everyone,

I've been searching for non-freestyle stroke coaching but getting nowhere , everything seems to be either aimed at kids, or adult sessions that only cover freestyle.

I'd love to improve at butterfly, breaststroke and backstroke, ideally at a clinic or group sessions. I've watched tons of youtube videos but really need some hands-on coaching. I can swim, but my technique needs significant improvement.

If you've found a clinic, squad session, or coach that really helped, I'd love to hear about it!

PS: I did look into Masters clubs, but their sessions tend to be geared more towards fitness and general drills rather than individual technique work for someone at my level.

Thanks in advance!