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What happened to the Missing People in Security Breach?

What happened to the Missing People in Security Breach?

The missing people of Security Breach is one of the most forgotten plot points in all of FNAF. Gregory mentions it to Freddy super randomly, and we see a newspaper talking about them in the Bad Ending in relation to Vanny.

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What happened to these people? Cryonide recently made a video about this that I thought was pretty good, however I disagree in an important place.

I think the key to this mystery are the Caution Bots of all things.

In Security Breach: Ruin we can deactivate 28 Caution Bots using the VANNI Mask, which reveals a secret room in Bonnie Bowl containing Glamrock Bonnie.

Very interestingly, inside Ruin's debug mode the Caution Bots are referred to as "Caution Bot Souls" which tells us these robots somehow have souls. Further evidence for this is that inside the VANNI Network you can hear the cries of what sounds like children coming from the Caution Bots until they're deactivated.

Another interesting mystery around the Caution Bots is their connection with Glamrock Bonnie, who multiple Caution Bots surround inside of the secret room.

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Deactivating the Caution Bots deactivates Glamrock Bonnie fully, which tells us the Caution Bots somehow powered Glamrock Bonnie.

I believe this tells us everything we need to know. The Caution Bots are possessed by the souls of the Pizzaplex victims. The Caution Bots are then connected to the entire Pizzaplex through the VANNI network, which is already shown to be able to control the Pizzaplex's electricity in Ruin. The Souls trapped inside the Caution Bots would be used to somehow power parts of the Plex', including to an extent the animatronics. It may also interact uniquely with Mimic endos, which the Glamrocks are theorized to be, as in Secret of The Mimic and Tales From The Pizzaplex we learn that the original Mimic endoskeleton is brought to life through some paranormal means and later changed into a violent entity by Edwin's agony.

Remnant is already known to be a power source for animatronics so it makes sense for Fazbear to do this. Additionally "hiding" the ghosts inside of innocent Wet Floor robots would cover up the haunting, while the effects from the Remnant would be able to be spread across the Pizzaplex somehow through the VANNI Network.

I think this fits very neatly with all the available evidence and explains why the Caution Bots are where the souls are. As they're just the mobile storage for them. This would also fit with Glitchtrap’s motives, as the souls would be trapped inside of his virtual world for him to interact with for whatever he wants to do with remnant.

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u/h1p0h1p0 — 9 hours ago
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What happened to Murray's Costume Manor right after Secret of The Mimic?

What happened to Murray's Costume Manor right after Secret of The Mimic?

Many of the events in Five Nights At Freddy seem to take place on one single property. The Afton House, FFPS Pizzeria, possibly Sister Location, and Security Breach's Pizzaplex all appear to be in the same spot.

Most people believe this for a couple of reasons:

Near the end of Secret of The Mimic we learn that William Afton and Fazbear Entertainment had taken over all of MCM and own the property.

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To most fans this is obviously connecting the MCM location to Security Breach and the Pizzaplex, which was built on a plot of land that looks quite similar to SOTM's outside.

FNAF fan discovers lamp post

We know from Security Breach: Ruin that the Mimic's lair underneath the Pizzaplex is probably leftovers from the Costume Manor, with similar light fixtures and old costumes from MCM.

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Additionally a cut ending for Ruin had Cassie find an underground Freddy Fazbear's Pizza with Freddy, Bonnie, and Chica on stage, we had no clue why this would have been included in the DLC at one point, but we now know that it was likely a very early form of Secret of The Mimic's Research and Development.

We know that FFPS also takes place in this same spot, but anything before that is a mystery to us currently.

What did Fazbear Entertainment do with the land from 1979 to around 2023???

The JR's Mystery...

At the very end of Secret of The Mimic we learn that David's bedroom is clearly meant to be the same as the Crying Child's room along with the toys we see in FNAF 4.

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This room along side the "Confidential" text log is borderline confirmation the Murray Mansion was taken over by William Afton and his family after the events of SOTM.

The area around the Murray/Afton House looks strikingly similar to the map of Midnight Motorist, being found along a road in the woods with pine trees.

Interestingly if you were to line up the outside of SOTM with Midnight Motorist, with the Afton House where the Murray Mansion is, the Costume Manor would be right where JR's is inside of MM.

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I don't think this was an accident as the outside world in SOTM strongly resembles the setting of Midnight Motorist, a lonely road lined with pine trees.

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This would also mean that JR's later becomes Freddy Fazbear's Pizza Place and then the Mega Pizzaplex.

Possible timeline we're working with

This both clarifies and confuses things regarding what Fazbear Entertainment did with the MCM property.

If MCM is where JR's is the chances of the original Freddy's being built above MCM and later becoming FFPS drops significantly, as in the most common interpretation of Midnight Motorist, the minigame is set immediately after Charlie's murder at Freddy's, and William is speeding back home. If he killed Charlie right before the minigame JR's can't be Freddy Fazbear's Pizza.

MCM later becoming Freddy Fazbear's Pizza feels like it's the narrative Scott wanted to go for with the Proto-Freddy's and the "Confidential" text log, however it might be impossible if JR's really is above MCM.

There's also the issue that William Afton isn't even allowed inside of JR's, which diminishes the likelihood of it being a Fazbear owned locating during the events of Midnight Motorist.

The strongest implication of the minigame is that JR's is just a bar William was prevented from entering by a bouncer because of his drunkeness.

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This then becomes confusing with the timeline I previously showed off. If JR's really isn't owned by Fazbear Entertainment then something currently happens off-screen that causes Fazbear to sell MCM.

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Speculation

At this point the lore is getting kinda fuzzy and it feels like a pretty big plot-hole.

I want to quickly list some potential ideas for what may have become of MCM in between SOTM and FFPS.

Idea 1: Fallfest 83'

Fallfest 83 was an event shown to us in Help Wanted: Curse of Dreadbear. We're currently not sure if the hub world we see is an actual real representation of the event.

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Lining up the Secret of the Mimic map with the Curse of Dreadbear map reveals that they're very likely the same place, with the barn interestingly being where MCM was.

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Could there have been another Fallfest disaster similar to the one that killed Fiona which made Fazbear sell JR's?

Idea 2: Fredbear's Family Diner

The idea of JR's at one point being Fredbear's Family Diner from FNAF 4 has been a fairly common interpretation since FFPS.

This image has been the bane of theorists for years lol

If the idea is that there is only one Afton house throughout the games then this is a likely idea.

This would mean that Fredbear's Family Diner was either moved or had multiple chain locations. Fredbear's Family Diner already lost its status as the first location to Fredbear's Singing Show, so maybe there being multiple diners at least after Secret of The Mimic is within the realm of possibility?

Interesting connection: both MCM and Fredbear's have a playground near by.

Idea 3: JR's the Fazbear location

There's always the possibility that JR's is the Fazbear location opened after MCM burned down, however I feel like this is the least likely option, because of William being banned from entering in Midnight Motorist. There's also the fact that were never given any follow up information about JR's is any later games. If it was a Fazbear property we'd probably at least hear something about it right?

Conclusion

This plot of land has really annoyed me, I'm not totally sure what's up with it. Hopefully we'll learn more in whatever game follows up SOTM.

I'd like to hear your guys' theories about this. It's one of the big mysteries Secret of The Mimic left us with, yet I don't too much discussion around it.

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u/h1p0h1p0 — 1 day ago