u/griii2

There is a feminist post going on about "a whole new generation of guys holding double standard views on women's body count".

But a brief internet search brought this:

>In line with previous research, the authors of the new study found that in contemporary societies all over the world, both men and women were less willing to enter into a committed long-term relationship with a person with a large number of previous sexual partners [...] Further, there was little evidence that women were judged more harshly than men.

https://ifstudies.org/blog/men-and-women-with-multiple-sex-partners-are-less-desirable-as-long-term-mates

OR

>According to the figures, 72% of men said their partner’s past sexual partners do not bother them, compared with 66% of women. 

https://www.globaldatinginsights.com/featured/study-women-care-more-about-partners-body-count-than-men/

PS: Keep the discussion civil and uphold egalitarian values. Strictly avoid bioessentialist and genderessentialist narratives.

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Let's start with an article in an environmentalist sub with hundreds of upvotes:

Gender emissions gap: Rich white men’s jobs, diets and hobbies found to be ‘bad for the planet’ | Euronews

My favourite comment:

>"Here before men throw tantrums in the comments about how it's not men that are the problem"

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Claim in that article:

>2025 study involving 15,000 people in France found that men emit 26 per cent more pollution than women from transport and food.

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Claim in that study:

>women emit 26% less carbon than men from transport and food.

The gender gap in carbon footprints: determinants and implications - Grantham Research Institute on climate change and the environment

Note how pollution changed to carbon, and the mathematically illiterate author does not understand that "women 26% less than men" is not the same as "men 26% more than women".

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But there is a catch. Turns out, men need 20% more calories than women.

>Accounting for caloric intake substantially reduces the gender gap in food carbon footprints. The corresponding scale-adjusted gender gap in carbon footprints is 6.7%.

Turns out, men have to do most of the work commute, while their wives prefer to stay at home^(*1). A fine print in the study says:

>After accounting for socioeconomic characteristics and differences in the scale of consumption, an 8 percent gap remains.

Notes:

^(*1)

>A 2019 Gallup poll shows that 39% of women and 23% of men in the US would prefer to “stay at home and take care of the house and family” if they were free to choose. This number rises to 50% among women with children under 18—only 45% of women with children under 18 prefer to “work outside the home.“ In a 2010 Gallup poll, 41% of women in the US answered that it is “very important for a good husband or partner to provide a good income.” Only 19% of men consider the same to be very important for a good wife.

Year 1975

Notable feminist

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simone_de_Beauvoir

Toxic deed

>

"Sex, Society, and the Female Dilemma". Interview with Betty Friedan, The Saturday Review (pp. 12-21), June 14, 1975.

Who-tags

feminist leader

What-tags

authoritarianism

Year 2018

Notable feminist

>Given the prominence of feminists like Moore

To Julie Burchill, Suzanne Moore and all feminists: The absence of trans people in the media is as important as the absence of women in the media - Comment - Voices - The Independent

Toxic deed

>I’d rather the police investigate a crime of misogyny than a burglary

>[...]

>Wolf-whistling does indeed sound harmless, but what women are really complaining about is street harassment with an implied threat of violence. Is this a crime or merely anti-social behaviour? If the police won’t take it seriously, who will?

>[...]

>What is being said then, is that crimes against property are more important than crimes against women,

https://web.archive.org/web/20181101153102/https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/01/police-crime-misogyny-burglary-women-harassment-violent

Who-tags

feminist author

What-tags

double standards, sexism

I am talking about the Merlin Strategy survey for the New Statesman, showing that:

• Only a third of young women hold positive view of men, new poll finds
• Findings show women under 30 are three times as likely to hold a negative view of men compared to the other way around

Firstly, there was a non-zero media reaction to this - which is, when it comes to negative news about women, noteworthy on its own.

(Obviously, many media tried to spin it as men's fault anyway: This is why young middle-class women are so angry - The Times)

But most importantly, some more serious feminists were also stunned by the results and by what it means for left-wing politics in the UK. This political angle is something that will have consequences that can't be man-bamed away.

I highly recommend you watch the shellshocked feminists from The New Statesman talking about the political consequences of what they sow: (59) Why do young women hate men? | UK Politics | The New Statesman - YouTube

Main Sources:

Only a third of young women hold positive view of men, new poll finds | The Independent

Meet the Angry Young Women - New Statesman

Raw data: https://www.merlinstrategy.com/s/NSTables.xlsx

Year 2011

Notable feminist

The famous feminist magazine, Ms., loves Ashton Kutcher for his hoax and praises his feminist street cred:

>Ashton Kutcher, who we already kind of loved for his activism against child pornography and sex trafficking, boosted his feminist street cred even further this week.

https://web.archive.org/web/20260420123429/https://msmagazine.com/2015/03/10/we-heart-ashton-kutchers-crusade-for-diaper-changing-tables-in-mens-restrooms/

Toxic deed

>Moore and Kutcher began researching the issue further, and discovered that, in the United States alone, between 100,000 and 300,000 girls are enslaved and sold for sex, while upwards of a million girls are prostituted worldwide. The entire industry generates $39 billion annually.

>"The average age of a girl involved in the sex trade is 13," Kutcher says. "And the average man who buys a girl is 30-years-old, has no prior criminal record, and has a well-paying job."

>Kutcher explains that the “Real Men Don’t Buy Girls Campaign” contains a message he hopes people are willing to pass around; one that specifically addresses the male psyche, while also being entertaining and informative.

>“Once someone goes on record saying they are or aren’t going to do something, they tend to be a bit more accountable,” says Kutcher. “We wanted to make something akin to a pledge: ‘real men don’t buy girls, and I am a real man.’”

https://web.archive.org/web/20260420123325/https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ashton-kutcher-demi-moore-trafficking_n_847291

Who-tags 

feminist activist, feminist organisation

What-tags

lies, hoax

Note

The hoax was launched jointly by Kutcher and Moore, but I can't find evidence that Moore was a notable feminist.

The hoax was debunked by Time magazine, noting that:

>FACTS: This sensational claim is a favorite of politicians, celebrities and journalists. Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore turned it into a cause célèbre. Both conservatives and liberal reformers deploy it. Former President Jimmy Carter recently said that the sexual enslavement of girls in the U.S. today is worse than American slavery in the 19th century.

>The source for the figure is a 2001 report on child sexual exploitation by University of Pennsylvania sociologists Richard Estes and Neil Alan Weiner. But their 100,000–300,000 estimate referred to children at risk for exploitation—not actual victims. When three reporters from the Village Voice questioned Estes on the number of children who are abducted and pressed into sexual slavery each year, he replied, “We’re talking about a few hundred people.” And this number is likely to include a lot of boys: According to a 2008 census of underage prostitutes in New York City, nearly half turned out to be male. A few hundred children is still a few hundred too many, but they will not be helped by thousand-fold inflation of their numbers.

https://web.archive.org/web/20260420124919/https://time.com/3222543/wage-pay-gap-myth-feminism/