u/ambivalegenic

that's it... that's the post

I really don't think I need to elaborate, we know it's not true, but their definition of truth in this sense is informed with how much jargon you can use and how you fall into the party line, participation in the spectacle. liberal or not this is just silly, it's sad. mother needs to twitter detox because they're irrelevant at this point.

you know I guess it's always been true, especially when it came to queer issues the gist of the disagreement seem to come down to language, optics, and emotional truth (is what you said VALID). she could say in her own words what she thought and the problem wasn't what she meant, but the fact she said it in her own words.

edit: I should clarify, im a leftist, online, but not an Online Leftist™

They're nearly incapable of understanding nuance. consistently take campist positions, conflate Jewish identity with white supremacy. They dismiss claims of antisemitism as irrelevant, frame the issues in terms of good/evil taking away human agency from the discussion, misuse post-colonial theory and make unmeasured comparisons to the nazis. They repeat rhetoric containing antisemitic dog-whistles, refuse to read all perspectives and treat the genocide in Gaza and apartheid in the west bank in Israel as uniquely evil rather than something with clear precedents and something entirely capable by regular people. They accuse Jewish people who have any measure of Jewish pride or point out that the left has any antisemitism of Zionist sympathies, they eat their own allies over the smallest issues, the majority of the loudest voices online don't actually contribute to the wellbeing or resisistance of Palestinians in gaza or elsewhere but simply larp online and make Israel's case stronger to the average jew. They repeat the blood libel, zionist occupied government conspiracy theories referencing AIPAC and other organizations characterizing them as having a chokehold on the entire government counter to basic political wisdom, they've turned the genocide into a measuring stick by which to judge someone's moral character, they have actively created an environment where true and blatant antisemitism has come back in vogue including on the political right (which is the REAL danger) and have made the egregious error of confusing criticism of their actions, with criticism of Palestinian resistance.

So long as this continues, so long as they double down, so long as they cannot accept a modicum of accountability and project the fact that their actions come down to a narcissism rooted around their own virtue signaling and then claiming that our concerns are just our feelings, we shouldn't be speaking with them or tolerate the toxicity they bring to the table. We as a community need to put our foot down, and say no more, or quietly exit the discussion. There is no reasoning with people who wont accept mild criticism on their words and actions despite us nominally having the same desire.

If you do continue to do so, be aggressively jewish, demand nothing less than solidarity and demand them to take a goddamn L for once in thier lives.